Thats... Thats like a flat earther in computer stuff.
Do those really exist??
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I know it gets thrown around a lot, but the Dunning-Kruger effect is real and applicable to people in all fields.
No matter how fanboi-y a Linux or Apple user gets, they can never out fanboi a Microsoft fanboi. They take making shit up about competitors to a entirely new level.
But once you read his words he's got a foot in the door. Then he's harder to ignore.
So maybe it's harder to ignore fools on social media. Which would make social media a kind of fool-enhancer.
I guess this is where blocking comes in. But that seems drastic.
Blocking is severe, but boy is my feed clean of morons (I think I've only blocked like 30 people on Lemmy).
You gotta try it. Very satisfying to click 'read all' on your inbox now and then to clear out notifications for new (hidden) messages from trolls you've blocked.
what a great way to create a set of echochambers with schizo worldviews
Electron is the only cross platform gui toolkit...
If you ignore QT, GTK and everything else.
I'm so glad that Microsoft makes an awesome cross platfor--- wait, no, but they contribute code to--- hmmm ... Hey, what does Microsoft do to make apps more portable again?
The real reasons often are:
- They want be able to hire much cheaper webdevs instead of software devs.
- Electron has a lot of built-in data collecting metrics, which they urgently need for creating a real-life KITT.
- Easy live embedding of content. Sure you can add your own solution, in fact I created ETML as a solution for this problem for my engine, all without any support for nasty scripting languages or convoluted stylesheets (style-inheritance in CSS turned me off from webdev even more than JS did). At best, it can be used for things like embedding videos on Discord, because no one else thought some universal approach, let alone one that disallows proprietary players. At worst, it's being used for ads.
Also a lot of Windows-only apps are Electron apps, only because the manufacturer wants to go "fuck you", even putting protections into the code just in case you wanted to run it on Linux.
EDIT: Forgot the "live embeds" reason.
Another reason is when developing the Web version first. Draw.io is a good example, where we get a bonus desktop(electron) version "for free" though the product was developed as a web app.
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one of the funniest (and sadly accurate) things i've heard said about linux backwards-compatibility is that its most stable API is Win32. you can run really old windows software on wine because they support stuff even windows doesn't anymore.
of course this is because the expectation is that you can just recompile old software to work on new systems, which is not really a thing on window.s
The most stable system is one that is out of support. No updates == No breakage! π
Itβs very amusing to imagine devs carefully watching for an EOL/EOS date and starting to build software only after
I think this is the point of Debian stable, and also why some devs hate Debian stable.
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.net cli apps are cross platform and can be portable :p
Gui in .net isnt fully cross platform ( maui is everything except linux ) but frameworks like avalonia ( .net ) and imgui fix all that :')
Thanks for reminding me why Maui doesn't support Linux. I saw Maui mentioned in an earlier comment and was baffled why KDE would make something not working that doesn't work in Linux. It's because Microsoft stole the Maui name from KDE: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Microsoft-KDE-MAUI
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Meanwhile Microsoft makes the start menu with React
I try not to let considerations get in the way of doing great work.
"I am a react developer"
I thought we are supposed to be language-agnostic after 3rd project.
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Lame attempt at ragebait.
Aren't Qt and GTK cross platform? I have Dolphin and Kate running on my Windows work laptop.
Yeah, he doesn't know what he's talking about. There is a shitload of frontend developers that specialize in web standards and technologies. Electron was developed to take advantage of that deep pool of frontend developers. The side affect, is that other OSes can just support electron and they get the developers and the applications for free. Which has been a major boon for Linux users and those looking to escape Microsoft's vendor lockin strategy. Today might be different, but in the past, nobody was intending to support Linux by creating electron apps. If they cared so much or it was so important, they would have been using Qt and GTK prior to Electron.
What kind of shit for brains asshole is still defending Windows in 2025?
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(Apple as a platform is so closed that it couldn't be influenced by this utter crap and the developers can use the OS native API's.)
A hidden gem of stupidity and nonsense in the already pretty dumb tirade.
that's a lot of words to basically say "i'm a fucking idiot".
Wow, that's some serious misinformation.
Every operating system contributed to the bloat. Windows has Win32, OS X has Carbon / Cocoa, Linux has X11 and various widget libs that sit on top of it. So it has been a perennial nut to crack to make cross platform widgets - wxWidgets, QT, SWT/JWT/Swing on Java, XMLShell (Firefox), Electron, GTK/GTK#, winelib etc.
Throw mobile platforms into the mix and it's an unholy mess. Lowest common denominator is HTML and so the likes of Electron "wins" even though it's bloated and slow.
i actually don't have a problem with HTML, i just think that instead of every app shipping their own copy of electron, the operating system should provide basic browser functionality.
that sounds like Tauri!
Linux and Mac use WebkitGTK, Windows uses Edge/Chromium, Android uses Chrome - as bundled in the respective OS, and you essentially have a frontend running on that webview communicating with a backend running locally via some special IPC protocol
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Show me how you never programmed anything without telling me
Software should be maintained, not built and forgotten about. Windows encourages the latter, which is just straight up bad practice
Fairly large chunks of Windows code are examples of the latter, in fact.
You dont even have to look at the code to see this. Just make one wrong click in a UI and youre directly getting dragged into a UI that hasn't changed since Windows XP.
But that's always a good sign that you've dug into the part that actually still works consistently! Once you pop some Windows 2000 era UI you know you've struck gold and need to note the path for next time (until Microsoft rearranges their settings for the 5th time this year of course)
sometimes if you have nothing nice to say to that person, just post rocky horror .gifs. i really wish this site would have a .gif finder though. seriously!
Tell me you have no idea how software development works without saying it...
Tbh, it's not entirely wrong, which is the reason why it works so well as rage bait.
It's really not about Linux, but it is about supporting anything and everything out there with a single app. Use Electron and you can have the same app running on Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, your car, your game console, your smart fridge and in a website.
Of course the result sucks, but if you can cut development effort into a fraction while also supporting systems that you would have never supported otherwise, that's not a bad deal for businesses.
You need to put this in clear [JOKE] tags, otherwise they'll never get it.
Okay, how does this dude explain native Linux apps?
Probably "Native Linux apps are made in Linux-only bullshit by useless neckbeards, and probably only run in the terminal. Real actual apps like Discord made by a for-profit corporation have to be made cross-platform."
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The user land API/ABI is stable to a fault in Linux. The kernel API/ABI is unstable.
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Companies are cheap. They hired web devs then tasked them with building a desktop application rather then hiring people to write native apps. They had a hammer and used it to fix every problem they had.
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macOS is just as affected by electron apps as a Linux is.
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Electron is horrible, but it does bring apps to many an OS once Chromium is ported.
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Open protocols or open APIs from the company would fix the non-native app problem.
The user land API/ABI is stable to a fault in Linux. The kernel API/ABI is unstable
It's the other way around. The kernel API stable to a fault, the kernel ABI isn't. If your application only relies on the kernel API you won't have many compatibility issues. If you rely on userland stuff such as C++ stdlib, GTK, QT, Python, ... Good luck.
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This is such a hilariously bad take. I like how "I can't use Win32 on Linux" morphed into "re-write the whole app in Javascript just so I can use Electron."
Meanwhile, Wine and QT are like: "am I a joke to you?"
I'll add that (IMO) a lot of applications are becoming increasingly malicious, although less-so in the desktop space. I'm happy that devs like this are forced to quasi-sandbox their crap into a browser. Actually, if anyone knows how to crack into an Electron app in order to restore local plugins, user-scripts, and sandbox security controls, let me know. Or just liberate the guts into a local web app instead so I can use a real browser? This trend could be very useful for local security if those features become available.
I can code in C on all 3 (more if you include BSDs). You would not believe how amazing my skills are to avoid platform specific dependencies in a language that predates all these OS.
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