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I am tired of this world, these people. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

Who’s ready to send there kids off to war to die for oil, I mean freedom? 🫲🍊🫱

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Question that will enrage everyone:

What would you do with $8/gallon gas (in the US where there is very very little public transport). Many many people would be totally fucked.

There's a reason this happens unfortunately, there's prices to pay for modern life, just like the slave labor that built all of our electronics and clothing.

[–] lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Pretending that invading a country, causing mass destruction and death, because America has bad public infrastructure and gas prices might rise is an evil and insane thing to say and a completely head-assed opinion. This is absolutely not a "this happens, unfortunately" situation.

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

Dont forget how much americas weapons and military manufacturing companies profit during times of war, even when its not their war they are selling to other countries.
The war machine go brrrr

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The Gulf War was about kicking Iraq out of Kuwait, after Iraq invaded. It had a wide support, both worldwide and within the Arab world. Saudi Arabia and Egypt actively participated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

Check the coalition drop down.

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 4 points 4 hours ago

The 2003 Gulf war was about oil, that's why the US started it in the first place. It was also about defending the souverainity of an invaded country, that's why a lot of countries followed.

[–] potpotato@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

From your Wiki link:

_The invasion was primarily over disputes regarding Kuwait's alleged slant drilling in Iraq's Rumaila oil field

The conflict's environmental impact included Iraqi forces causing over six hundred oil well fires and the largest oil spill in history until that point._

Iraq invaded Kuwait because economic collapse and oil disputes thinking the west won't go to war for this emirate.

Don't come citing the deep magic, I was there when it was written.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world -3 points 5 hours ago

"If you'd have cared from the start, none of this would've happened."

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

How Americans don't take this as a sign that their electoralism is always bound for failure will forever remain a mystery to me. You emerge from the fallout of Republican leaders by voting democrats and joyously claim, "the storm has passed" and "we should never repeat these mistakes". Come 8 or so years and a Republican is re-elected.

How have you guys not en masse realized that democratic reign is merely a refractory period for Republican governance? Why have you not organized and promoted other parties? The greens are slow and will take a lot of work to build, but Rome wasn't built in a day. This cycle will continue until you've en masse woken up to the real contradictions driving your politics.

Spiel over!

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's less that than people think dems are doing OK then go back to their shitty apathy that lets Republicans back in. Rinse, repeat.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I can't even comprehend it with the blinding majesty of the democratic actions taken, where they heroically and with the utmost of poise forgive their opponents for all crimes domestic and international.

The darn Republicans just don't understand how forgiving and merciful the Democrats will always be. So mean.

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

First we need to excise the foreign influence from the Greens though, which is probably harder than just starting over again. Which doesn't fix the problem with first past the post voting systems which mathematically make it almost impossible for one ideology to win if they have more candidates that an opposing ideology. That's where the fight has to start, grass roots voting reform to more represational systems like STAR. Get it in locally, and then push it up from there. Then new parties will be allowed to flourish, instead of just torpedoing their platform by splitting the votes.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 14 hours ago

our constitution is intentionally structured to favor the wants and needs of capital holders instead of the working people

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 24 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Do you think Americans were not bombing brown people when Democrats were in power? Didn't Obama get a Nobel Peace Prize while having a top score in drone kill strikes? Lol. The empire is evil and murderous, regardless of who's playing the part of the leader.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (6 children)

We aren't both-sidesing this, are we?

Obama was a breath of fresh air on the international stage and widely respected, globally for good reason. It was clear to anyone paying even half attention that he was confronting powerful forces.

Couple points of fact to mention:

  • Obama used drone strikes, yes.
  • These Drone Strikes are orders of magnitude more precise with far less collateral damage than traditional warfare strategies used by his predecessors.
  • Obama passed an executive order making these drone strikes transparent to the public, understanding the danger.
  • Trump came in and reversed that transparency, making them classified.
  • Obama's civilian death toll is significantly less than Trump's first term alone.

By the way:

  • Nearly all dissenting opinions on Iraq and Afghanistan originated from Democrats or Independents who caucused with Democrats for good reason.
  • Nearly all later dissent came from this side as well.
  • A Democrat is the one who actually got us out of Iraq
  • A Democrat is the one who actually got us out of Afghanistan
  • A Democrat is the one who actually stayed on task to eliminate Bin Laden.

Republicans start wars; Democrats usually get them out. Perfect? No. But there is a very, very clear trend.

Getting tired of seeing this false equivalence nonsense.

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[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Obama was awarded the Nobel only nine months into his first term, so he hadn't really had the chance to rack up the requisite number of war crimes to be awarded the peace prize.

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[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 26 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

This was about starting wars for oil though

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 39 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

I had previous learned that we will run out of oil soon. It seems this is not the scientific consensus - it's just that known reserves will run out in about 50 years. In other words, this meme can repeat itself ad nauseam. We should look at every US geopolitical strategy or even statement through this lens. Greenland? Canada? Oil!

[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 20 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Thanks to the improvements in efficiency and price fluctuations that allowed shale oil extraction and the like, as well as new exploration, for all intents and purposes, we still have a basically unlimited amount of oil.

When oil gets expensive, it justifies infrastructure that was previously economically unfeasible and not part of our reserves. And once that infrastructure is in place, the price can still go down and it can sustain itself. Is it really unlimited? Absolutely not. But innovation and economics have stretched what's available to a level of surprising longevity.

At this rate of price fluctuation and investment, in 300 years we will be extracting the oil from your facial pores and still have a "50 year reserve".

It's kinda a neat thing if it wasn't for all the shitty side effects, tbh.

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