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I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people. This is extremely concerning as states and the federal government are undermining access to care now more than ever. Democrats standing by trans people has far more dire consequences now than ever, yet we're being treated as politically disposable by people who used to campaign on lgbtq issues like Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg.

I can't say I'm surprised. Liberal papers like the New York Times has been uncritically promoting unscientific transphobia for years that claims alternatives exist to gender affirming care. My guess is that people see a person transitioning as an unfortunate thing, desperately wishing there was another way. They ignore the fact that gender affirming care is both the best treatment for dysphoria, and one of the most successful treatments for any mental condition ever discovered.

To put it simply, making gender affirming care harder to obtain for kids will kill many of them. Kids being kept from care by their parents already drives people to suicide, and a slimy politician preventing supportive parents from helping their kids will do the same. Every time I see people claim these guys are our best shot at beating fascism, I die inside. I have no doubt that they'll eventually axe care for all adults like everyone who was originally "worried about fairness in sports" is currently pushing for. The only way they won't is if we make it a costly issue for them.

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[–] philosloppy@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

liberals gonna lib but what does the acceptance, or rejection, of science have anything to do with it? Plenty of fascists have had no problem embracing science as a method of political expediency and plenty of leftists have rejected scientific advance as a measure of political progress.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They're neoliberals so they can't say the obvious things a Dem candidate needs to do to win an election.

They'd rather a Republican win than a Dem who actually wants to fix wealth inequality

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 10 points 1 day ago

Yes, this 💯. They’re drunk on corpo dollars.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As an AAPI kid, I am more than used to liberals and leftists abandoning and shitting on us at the drop of a hat. In a just world? That wouldn't fucking happen. In the world we live in? I'll settle for not being actively attacked. Let us fight the slow burn fight just don't actively harm. Just so long as it wins elections and does overall harm mitigation.

But that isn't the case. Democrats increasingly try to be "republican lite" and it just doesn't fucking work. Because the DNC seems to believe the bullshit that the republicans are full of "bush era republicans" and "mavericks" who all hate what the party has become and are just looking for an opportunity to do the right thing. And they completely ignore that all those "mavericks" still vote lockstep with the magats (barring one or two personal issues) because they actually also want the hate and suffering but don't like that it isn't them who are leading the charge.

But when one candidate is running on the gas chamber for all trans people and the other candidate just wants to rough them up a bit? The hateful shitheads aren't going to settle for less. But to everyone else? "Both sides suck".

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There are more important reasons we need to oppose the "lesser evil." I simply have no faith that they can defeat the fascists in their current state, which means we need to at least shape them up before the next chance they have to take power. Unless they become more competent and politically capable, they might not be able to capitalize on Trump's inevitable death, nor will they be able to maintain power for long if they make the same mistakes as Biden.

The only way they will not be weak and useless is if there is a capable left wing they need to contend with. It's why they oppose Mamdani more strongly than Trump; they would no longer have a solid monopoly on progressives, and would need to share capitulate to maintain an alliance.

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[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Right wing politicians are really good at getting elected by doing and saying whatever they need to. Once they’re in office, as Trump demonstrated, all bets are off.

So far, the left’s strategy has been two-fold.

  1. Promoting unpopular mandates instead of just getting elected and re-writing the law.
  2. Promoting popular policies, getting elected, and then squabbling among themselves ineffectually.
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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn't defeating fascism and standing for trans rights the same thing?

Same with eliminating religion?

These organisations aren't good for human rights. They aren't good for anything or anyone.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

No. You can not-have trans rights without fascism. Otherwise, 100% of the earth has been fascist for the entire history of humanity.

[–] _druid@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Ratchet effect, in real time. This is what harm reduction and blue no matter who buys you. Democrats are not your friend. The system cannot be reformed. We cannot vote our way out of this. Trans people need to arm up. Allies need to arm up. Look out for one another. Stay safe and good luck.

Who said that??

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The standards you walk by are the ones you accept.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (11 children)
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[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure this time we'll get a third-party President!

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[–] piefood@feddit.online 3 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Not only Democratic politicians, I see it here in the Fediverse all the time. People seem to think that the Democrats winning is more important than human rights.

I just don't understood that kind of dogmatic thinking.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You realize the left needs to win for us to have human rights? Your critique makes literally zero sense.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

If the left needs to win, then we can't vote for most democrats.

[–] piefood@feddit.online 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you talking about the party that isn't able to win, and also doesn't support universal human rights?

Maybe they would have more luck with the former, if they tried the latter.

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[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's more that people think winning is more important than performative losing. It's not pragmatic to promote talking points that hurt your own cause.

For example, I'd wager that cutting hundreds of billions from Medicaid will hurt the general population AND the trans population far more than gender affirming care for kids or trans rights in sports would benefit trans people.

And consider this, every time we lose, it's going to get worse and worse and keep shifting the Overton Window to the right.

Are we supposed to pretend that strategy and tactics aren't applicable to politics? Winning the broader war wins many smaller battles by default.

[–] piefood@feddit.online 2 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

And consider this, every time we lose, it's going to get worse and worse and keep shifting the Overton Window to the right.

Are we supposed to pretend that strategy and tactics aren't applicable to politics? Winning the broader war wins many smaller battles by default.

I'm looking at the current Democratic strategy of moving to the right, and continuing to lose.

You are correct that strategy and tactics are applicable. Maybe if the Democrats want to win, they should avoid their losing strategy.

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