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I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people. This is extremely concerning as states and the federal government are undermining access to care now more than ever. Democrats standing by trans people has far more dire consequences now than ever, yet we're being treated as politically disposable by people who used to campaign on lgbtq issues like Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg.

I can't say I'm surprised. Liberal papers like the New York Times has been uncritically promoting unscientific transphobia for years that claims alternatives exist to gender affirming care. My guess is that people see a person transitioning as an unfortunate thing, desperately wishing there was another way. They ignore the fact that gender affirming care is both the best treatment for dysphoria, and one of the most successful treatments for any mental condition ever discovered.

To put it simply, making gender affirming care harder to obtain for kids will kill many of them. Kids being kept from care by their parents already drives people to suicide, and a slimy politician preventing supportive parents from helping their kids will do the same. Every time I see people claim these guys are our best shot at beating fascism, I die inside. I have no doubt that they'll eventually axe care for all adults like everyone who was originally "worried about fairness in sports" is currently pushing for. The only way they won't is if we make it a costly issue for them.

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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Honestly and in all seriousness, I don't think trans rights matter enough to drop them. Like these people aren't in favor of e.g. trump because of trans rights. They are in favor of trump. Why? There is no actual reason. We are talking about people who want the death penalty and a small government??? Who want to cut spending and vote for the guy who spends more money??? they are worried about the quality of life of workers and vote ice cold capitalist into power??? Trans rights don't matter for them, it is a story that they can tell themselves. It is a "reason" because "idk i am just really frustrated and I don't know how to deal with the mental discomfort of acknowledging that my behavior especially my political behavior supported the creation of the situation that I strongly dislike" just isn't comfortable for them.

Trans rights are more extremely important but politically, they just don't matter. Dropping them will change nothing, but make us worse people.

Like I said elsewhere, they already held these views and see now as the perfect time to push them. They think that because the fascists won they don't need to try as hard, even though them not sacrificing their pet beliefs on TikTok and Palestine contributed to that result. They think Harris being a brown woman is where they failed rather than her being Biden's VP.

[–] nomoretdrdd@lemmy.cafe -2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Gender and sexual minorities's right are human right.

That's being said some people seems to care a lot about women, gays and trans when it comes to bombing brown people.

Nobody's free until we all are

I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make. Can you reword it?

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We dont have to give up on any single group to fight MAGA morons. Just start calling MAGA what they are, the pedo party.

They're a party of groomers, in every sense of the word. They are heavily invested in brainwashing kids from an early age to serve their authoritarian order, while their system of unchecked power over children perpetuates child abuse both sexual and non sexual. They rely on grooming emotionally lost young men to be their foot soldiers and enforcers, encouraging them to bully and abuse women and minorities while stealing everything of value they produce. They are everything they accuse their enemies of being.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 4 hours ago

the old guard is trying to avoid another zohran, bernie, aoc, or the minnesota mayor, hence pedalling a republican lite is the best they can do.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 7 hours ago

New York Times has been uncritically promoting unscientific transphobia for years that claims alternatives exist to gender affirming care

Sources on that?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 7 hours ago

Ok, look, as long we PINKY PROMISE that we're going to stop at the VERY FIRST one of the "first they came for the..." marginalized groups, you gotta let us murderize JUST THEM and then bada bing, bada boom, fascism is cooked!

[–] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I get it, but conservatism has taken over by ratcheting the country to the right. They've been patiently putting people in positions of power from dog catcher up to the presidency for the last forty years.

Progressives aren't satisfied with ratcheting the country to the left. It's all or nothing.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Constructive and useful. Go fuck yourself.

They make a great point, but nope. Gotta make them feel stupid for thinking about the obvious problem with idealism.

[–] nomoretdrdd@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 hour ago

Fucking oneself is actually quite healthy. You should try it, you feel repressed

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The country never moves towards the left or anything closely resembling egalitarianism in any meaningful way. Gay marriage has been one of the few major wins in recent history, but that's not "ratcheting the country to the left". You could be the most staunch supporter of capitalism and "free markets" in the world, literally the opposite of egalitarianism, and still support trans and gay rights/be socially liberal.

Progressives aren’t satisfied with ratcheting the country to the left. It’s all or nothing.

The Democrats aren't satisfied until the country is completely to the right and they aren't interested in winning elections or seriously fighting MAGA - their focus is firmly on suppressing the left.

Progressives do not hold significant power in elected office or in the DNC. Bernie Sanders had two primaries rigged against him, and David Hogg was recently ousted from his position as Vice Chair of the DNC ~~for gender diversity reasons~~ because he was pushing progressive primary challengers.

Ken Martin also ensured DNC officer neutrality in future primaries this year, in order to neuter David Hogg not long after he committed to funding these challengers (which is likely why David Hogg refused to run for re-election). Democrats only have a problem with rigging primaries when progressives are the ones getting support.

Progressives are unpredictable and difficult to control, may be of the socialist variety, and disincentivize major donors - which the DNC and Democratic party rely on.

[–] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

"Ending" slavery, suffrage, the New Deal, income tax, * gay rights... They were all steps to the left.

I'm not arguing that the democratic party as it stands is the vehicle to institute a just and fair society. But I did watch the Tea Party subvert and consume the republicans. It can be done to the democratic party as well. It has to be in tandem with regular wins, like how the conservatives did it.

*I can't believe I left out Roe v Wade

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If every time you give in to their demands and they take a step further to the right and ask for more with the intention of surviving to fight to protect what you value another day, you will eventually lose what you value and have nothing left to defend.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Which is why the whole narrative that we either compromise or continue to do the same all-or-nothing approach is a false dichotomy spread by our enemies.

You don't capitulate, you don't conceded, you redirect.

We need to leverage this into a class-war, we are SO close to it, every time we get close to large-scale movements against capital, the right throws some hissy fit about bathrooms or drag queens and we all get distracted trying to uselessly butt-heads instead of pushing our whole country towards the objectively key solution of attacking money.

The conservative chuds who give Trump and his ilk so much power and political capital are dumber than boards, they can be captured, they can be used, they can be pushed towards goals mindlessly if you give them the right WWE spectacle story to follow. The things that don't work on them are the lectures, the speeches, the appeals to empathy and other ideas they just can't connect with if they don't have clear-cut villains and heroes and a storyline that they think impacts them personally.

The rich elites are just SITTING there, safe in the fact that every time the nation's liberals start to feel uncomfortable, they can pull some levers and suddenly everyone is focused on Epstein and "lol president bad" narratives. This is why we're not getting anywhere, we're falling for the tactics. We're getting pulled into the endless debates that don't go anywhere. If we could even make them twitch, if we could get them to falter and pause and worry that they've stretched us too thin for a moment, we can capitalize on that, we can install our own local leaders, our own judges, our own county and city board members. It's slow, painful and takes focus on a goal I just don't see the left in this country rising to sadly.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 28 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Giving up on trans rights is the definition of losing to fascism.

Fascism is an ideology that's turtules all the way down. Once you exclude one group you have built the social infrastructure and mechanisms to exclude any other group. The only defense is to accept and include all groups.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 14 hours ago

This. This is how genocide operates. The number of bystanders gets lower and lower as they are carted off into the camps or turn full blown fascist. It’s always like this. Armenia. Germany. Rwanda. It’s a set script.

RFK has made no secret of wanting to take away meds from mentally ill people and putting them into farming camps.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 14 hours ago (12 children)

Democrats should really just embrace pro-gun politics and win over both right-wingers and left-wing gun owners.

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[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 32 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Trans rights are human rights. What would be the point of opposing fascism if it's not to uphold human rights?

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 75 points 22 hours ago

none of us are free until all of us are free.

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