Exactly this is what’s happening.
Too many are eating it up.
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I don't think it's simply Russia and China though... I think it's just global wealthy business people, along with criminals. Basically the overlap of those two types of people.
Nations are used by the wealthy like the fed use the Mafia and the Mafia uses the street gangs and the street gangs use the simps and homeless. It's all the same evil from the bottom to the top. The same dark part of human nature. This element of human nature resides in all tiers of the human social caste system.
It’s Russia and China, and there are people who benefit from the rhetoric within who amplify it as well.
This is well documented.
russia makes up the lionshare of propaganda of the world, they have many propaganda troll farms all over to push a divisive narrative. china doesnt have that much of an influence compared to russia. most conspiracies you can trace back to russia eventually if you look deep enough.
Well, if it gets the constitution changed so that the president can't act like a dictator.....
i'm a ukrainian bot, thank you very much
With both parties working against the most of the american people and most of the media being in the pocket of some rich guy I don't know how this is going to change other than rewriting the constitution to change how the american political system works. And being defeated in a war seems to be one of the only moments in time where this can happen. And as a non american I'd prefer if they duked it out amongst themselves. Pulling others into it seems unfair and the US might actually win. I'd much prefer if an alternative to war though since its one of the worst things that can happen to a person. I don't know how it would look though. Please enlighten me me if you do.
The problem is that our armed forces are specifically structured to prevent civil war, while there aren't strong regional divisions right now. It's an all or nothing where you're either in control or you're not, and that will take a long time to change.
That said, Trump is absolutely destroying the institutional stability of our entire government in a way no one has done before. This won't allow for a civil war under him, but a decade or two down the road might be a different story.
If governors like Gavin Newsom are as sinister in their power grabs as I suspect, there might be an increase in regional divisions that could make battle lines exist. If other empires are smart, they'll encourage ambitious governors and local officials to lay the groundwork for a regionally divided civil war in the future. That'd be how an American civil war can happen; in the aftermath of a dictator like in the century of unrest after Caesar died.
This is the Liberal's version of "blame the foreigners" similar to how the Fascists blame immigrants.
It couldn't possible the fault of insiders, many incredibly wealthy including some who actually own most of the fucking Press, plus yet others in positions of power and influence.
Of course not, those are "our" people. The country couldn't possible be fucked up because of "our" people. The only explanation is those filthy foreigners.
It's the exact same tribalist bollocks being deploye to protect the real monsters which are very much inside the walls, it's just that one group of right wingers blame immigrants and the other blames foreign states - one arse, two cheeks, same shit.
Even more funny when this bollocks is used for America as done here is that thr one single country which American politicians support unwaveringly even when it's against the very interests of America - Israel - ain't one of the "filthy foreigners intervening in our nation". I would looove to hear an explanation of how Russia or even China influence America more than Israel.
Whatever those nations are trying to do to manipulate America and Americans, it's nothing compared with what some specific Americans are doing to the rest, especially the ones which own parts of the Press - China and Russia have very little influence in the country compared with those extremely wealthy people towards whom the Liberals point no fingers.
Hey bud, both are possible.
Yes, but clearly only one fits in their world view.
Of course Russia and China are trying to interfere like crazy - they too want to get their desired outcomes and their governments are as sociopathic as the rest.
Yet, judging by the outcomes they're getting, they're minions at this next to insiders and even "allied" foreign powers like Israel.
Knowing that, ask yourself the question "why so much focus on messages that it's China and Russia damaging America when those countries aren't getting much from America compared to the likes of Israel or even more compare to very wealthy insiders?"
As I see it, it serves the dominating Propaganda forces to get the riff-raff distracted with the "usual suspects" (which have a long history as antagonists of America) and it's a very easy thing to do because it dovetails with the usual nationalistic tribalism ("Americans" v "foreignes") and America is insanelly big on Nationalism compared to all other countries but the overty Authoritarian ones.
So the Fascists in America are fed the "immigrants want your jobs" variant of "foreigners bad", whilst Liberals get fed the "foreign powers are making our country worse" version - it keeps both groups looking away from those actually pillaging their country and undermining whatever little Democracy the country still has.
You're find plenty on very wealthy and well connected insiders who gain from having the plebes - both those aligned with the Fascist Party and those aligned with the Neoliberal Party - focused on the "evil foreigners" rather than looking for blame in their own house.
There are several people in America with Means, Motive and Opportunity to push "foreigners are fucking up our country" narratives, both a Fascist-appealing version and a Liberal-appealing one.
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