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[–] hissingmeerkat@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago

Windows 11 might be usable if it gets a wine port so it can run windows apps.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 351 points 4 days ago (10 children)

i would hope every new version of wine runs windows apps in linux and mac better than ever.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 330 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Patch notes: “Made the app a little worse just to keep things interesting.”

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 126 points 4 days ago (3 children)

That's the Microsoft strategy, but they forgot to make it better sometimes too

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 41 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It's been Android too at least since they stopped naming versions after sweets

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Microsoft strategy often seems to be "It worked well, but we completely redid it because we need to justify out existence. Now it barely works with new bugs"

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[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 85 points 4 days ago (11 children)

At this point, and given the current state of Proton (👍) and the current state of Windows (👎), the question should be, "Does the new version of Wine run Windows apps better than Windows?"

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 50 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

With some apps/games it definitely feels like it does. Would love to see someone dedicated do proper Wine vs windows benchmarks!

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[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 days ago

"Fastest iphone ever!" Yea I'd sure hope so being that it's new and all

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[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 27 points 3 days ago (7 children)

What about software outside of browsers of gaming? Lemmy talks about gaming a lot but it remains to be seen if working professionals are able to leave W11 behind

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is a funny take given that for most of Linux history, the majority of Linux desktop user have been “working professionals”, largely IT workers and developers to be fair.

At this point, you cannot really make a blanket statement about who Linux is appropriate for. It is down to individual use cases and preferences.

I have been using Linux for decades and, while I have also used Windows and macOS, other operating systems are frustrating to use due to the many limitations. And I have been several kinds of “working professional” over that time at many different levels of seniority. But I recognize that this is because all my workflows and expectations evolved on Linux.

The “working professionals” you imagine likely have the same issue. It is not that Linux could not work, or even that it is not a better place to start. It is document compatibility and familiarity.

At this point, Linux “being ready” comes down almost completely to a tolerance for learning and change. Nobody says you have to change of course. But working differently does not mean that something else does not work.

There are of course still some software gaps. CAD is not great on Linux (getting there). Print graphics professionals (people with CMYK workflows) will hit real roadblocks. Some debugging tools available on Windows are worth the productivity for certain workflows. Pro audio too I guess though this not my area. And “office document” users may encounter display inconsistencies when sharing documents depending on which features they rely on. Perhaps the latter is what you mean.

As for gaming, it depends on what titles you favour. Some Windows games play better on Linux. Some worse. And of course some not at all.

When choosing software for a company, I consider something that cannot work on the Linux desktop or through the cloud disqualifying. I can think of few cases where that has been the wrong decision.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

For software developers Linux was and is the superior choice. For media based professions (video editing, digital art etc.) there's still a long way to go. There's way more choice on Windows and not everything works smoothly through Wine

[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Software outside of gaming usually has native alternatives, so unless you are forced by your employer to use a specific program it is less of an issue (since you are probably also forced to use Windows)

Sadly I had to abandon Linux as I had no way of getting the pen pressure for a tablet to work for Zbrush 2022. It's an essential part of my workflow and there's no Linux native version. Tried Wine and virtually every method possible but still couldn't get it to work. Dual booting for one piece of software seemed silly. Really unfortunate that this was my deal breaker as I was really enjoying the experience.

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[–] DillingerEscape@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Professionals left Windows decades ago

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

White collar professionals who spend their days developing and deploying software or working on compute infrastructure? Sure, some of them have been on Linux for decades. Although many big corpos love Windows and Microsoft products, so at best you're going to have a foot in both worlds if you work at one of these companies.

Some admin jobs that don't require bespoke software (ie very little beyond say an office suite) have started making the jump recently to save $$.

Basically every other white professional that needs to work on a computer with industry specific software like people in medical, engineers, business? Odds are they use windows since the software they use for their job is probably only built for Windows and maybe Mac if they're lucky. Very few employers are going to mass deploy Linux to run applications via Wine. These employers have support contracts for the major software products their employees use and they won't get support if they're not running software on its native OS.

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[–] Syndication@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I can't speak for other programs, but for example, Photoshop runs under wine mostly. The issue is certain features like the content aware tool are locked behind the stupid Adobe Creative Cloud BS and is reported to have issues depending on which version you're using and what tools you care about. IIRC, it's mostly the newer AI tools that are affected so maybe linux users won't care as much, but its still a downside worth noting nonetheless.

Most of the time when Adobe products are mentioned in this context, people will instead offer alternatives rather than telling you to run it under wine. It really depends on what programs professionals are using at their jobs though, and I imagine most will just use Windows on a separate work computer and not deal with the random issues with compatibility and troubleshooting. I think most wouldn't want to risk losing important work related projects either. If its something more simple like Microsoft Word then you could probably get away with using it on linux though.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Davinci works better in Linux. Vapoursynth mostly works better in Linux.

RAW photo editing is already horrible in Windows if you’re trying to do HDR. To be fair, it’s horrible in Linux too. As much as I hate it, they can’t touch Apple there.

See this post I just made: https://lemmy.world/post/41751454/21613633

iOS will render HDR JPEG-XL, AVIF and tiled HEIFs straight out of a camera; no problem. Heck, it will even display RAWs in the photo app. But it’s a struggle on Windows and Linux.


And if by “professional use” you mean “Adobe,” I view that in the same way as still being on Twitter. At this point, subjecting yourself to Adobe on Windows is something you should do through gritted teeth.

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[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 86 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes I forget macOS exists

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 89 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I love it because its existence means I get a good chance of having a UNIX-based machine in new corporate dev positions. If a company is giving me a work laptop, I'll take a MBP over a Windows laptop any day (assuming I can't install Linux)

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I still can't stand the Apple design philosophy no matter how much exposure. Mostly has to do with their "saving the user from themselves" restrictions in their operating systems. I'd rather defang windows instead, even if it takes much longer per machine.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (27 children)

Have you used a Mac in the last 10 years, beyond just flicking the mouse around at a FutureShop?

[–] tehBishop@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I love the duality of saying "in the last 10 years" and "FutureShop" in the same sentence.

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Windows aged like milk while wine is wine.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Good stuff Wine.

[–] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is it because Wine has improved, or because Windows has not?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I guess this isn't really even "news" to Linux gamers now, but once in a while it's nice to make an article about what constant progress has happened in a certain sphere. Certainly many people staying on Windows out of inertia blinked and missed it.

My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.

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[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I am just hoping the Steam Frame provides the foundation so that in the years to come I can get off Windows for VR development. Feel trapped right now.

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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I need a modern version of office working well.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Copilot for Copilot you mean? Now with extra Copilot.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 days ago

What you are referring to as "office" is actually copilot/Microsoft365 and i forgot the rest of the copypasta

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[–] hogmomma@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

I mean, isn't that kinda the goal...?

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I misread that as "Win 11 runs Linux and macOS apps better than ever" and was ready to sarcastically point out that Linux runs Linux apps better too.

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 4 days ago

Contrarily, Win 11 does run Windows apps worse than ever

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