Wind is just infinitely cheaper than coal in every way. The scrubbers for sulfur alone in a 200 MW plant cost just to keep it from killing everyone and everything around are $400 million. A 2MW commercial wind turbine cost $4 million to install roughly $65k a year to maintain, which include admin, legal, leases, etc. so 200 MW of wind cost about the same as just the scrubbers in coal plant and $650k to maintain, vs Millions in maintenance in coal. Wind is not just greener, it is cheaper and better. The power source to turn the turbine is free!
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Not that I'm disagreeing with your point, but $65k multiplied by a hundred is $6.5 million, not $650k
Yeah that is true…
Do you have the values on which these back-of-the-napkin calculations were based? As a natural sciences teacher, I'd love to discuss it with my students as an example.
Wind Turbine:
https://sigmaearth.com/cost-analysis-how-much-do-commercial-wind-turbines-really-cost/
Part of the Coal - ie scrubber costs
https://mostpolicyinitiative.org/science-note/cost-of-coal-power-plants/
Thank you!!
Wind has about a 30-40% capacity factor (varies by location) so maybe multiple by about 3 to get to the roughly 90-95% capacity factor of coal plants. Wind also requires a lot more regulation because it doesn't ramp up/down easily. Wind is cheaper than coal, but the math is way more complicated than what you're presenting.
Not really, have a friend who is inhouse counsel for bp, they are investigating heavy in wind and have been since 2009. The industry speaks for itself.
What's not really? Do YOU know anything about energy markets?
A little, handle oil and gas litigation in TX
But what about the birdsssssss
The whole thing about birds is propaganda. Look at how many birds are killed directly by pollution and indirectly by habitat destruction due to burning coal. It's a huge number compared to windmill strikes.
Also, look at other living things besides birds. Coal kills more in every case.
No no, SO many birds are killed by wind turbines and this is TOTALLY the most important social issue we need to solve
They're converting to natural gas at any rate. The facility just doesn't have coal to continue running because the plan all along was to shut down and convert. This order to stay open did fuck all except inject delays into bureaucracy.
burning natural gas is also carbon intensive
Holly shot! That’s awesome!