cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/41872288
Any size is fine if the other side doesn't know they're coming to a gun fight
this post was submitted on 19 Jan 2026
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That .4+ is bugging me for some reason Just say .40 cal or larger.
Bugging me cause it's boomer advice
9 is fine!
If you're worried about armor then .40 and .45 aren't doing shit either
Seriously! .357 (9mm) is probably the most effective non bottle necked cartridge that is widely available.
Edit to add: practice>>possible effectiveness.
If watching Ukraine war footage has taught me anything, it's:
- Bring grenades, the more the better
- Anything worth blowing up, is worth blowing up at least 8 times.
- Everything is worth blowing up
- Finish them off by chucking an AT mine at them
Chucking=dropping
This meme (motivational poster?) has to be circa 2003 - 2009. Looks like Marine recruits with M-16 A2s. The newer tan canteen pouch with the old green 782 alice gear belt and harness is a weird combination.
I think the used picture is even older than the meme itself, my guess would be that it is from roughly the Gulf War era.
Marpat wasn't fielded until 2002, and Tan CIF gear wasnt a thing during the invasion of Iraq 2003.
Yep, yep, you're right.
Dozzi92 set me straight, I goofed.
Yeah this picture is confusing. I went to boot in '09. We wore deuce gear, but it was green. I can't tell if there are picatinny rails on the rifles or not. There's no ACOGs. I'm definitely leaning toward your timeframe, but something definitely feels off about it. Dunno.
I made another comment but my guess is the image in the meme is roughly Gulf War era... I've not been in the military but I don't think ACOGs became a thing that was basically standard issue untill... well even before you went to boot in 09.
I'm thinking this picture was taken some time in the 90s, probably, maybe early 00s, is what I'm trying to say.
Nah, digi cammies weren't gulf war. Dudes wore old deserts in Fallujah, IIRC.
I did boot in '09, and we qual'd ironsights, and got to SOI in August 2009 and we had ACOGs. I believe boot went ACOGs shortly after that. We also had A2s in boot in '09, and A4s in SOI. Full digi was sometime in 2004, and Fallujah was earlier that year, and so you saw guys in old cammies and digi.
Oh, fuck you're completely right.
I somehow totally glossed over the digi cam.
... In my defense, I did not have my glasses on, and... well, the camo worked.
Fuck.
Ok, ok so... by your uh, constraints, this would have been basically more like mid 00s?
04 or later, but... prior to 09?
And, by old deserts... you mean the ole 'chocolate chip camo'?
... I guess if you're willing to induldge my mil-nerd questioning... do you know if the Army and Marines are mostly swapped over to some variant of MultiCam now?
Or does the digi stuff still exist in large numbers?
... Or am I just wildly off base with that line of questions?
Ha, I'm out for over a decade at this point, and I'm kind of an "I did my time" Marine. I do have some friends still in, who I'm fairly certain they're still wearing MARPAT digi cammies.
Well alright, thanks for the info!
The caliber one seems silly. A 9mm is .35 inches but has about the same power of a .45 but a .357 is more powerful than both
Yeah, this rule really irked me.
This is... its an older meme, motivational poster format, wouldn't surprise me at all if it was made by a gung ho Gulf War vet either before or not long after Iraq 2 Electric Boogaloo commenced, drenched in Americana gun culture pride.
There are plently of pistol rounds other than .45 ACP that are quite good in combat scenarios, most at this point would probably agree that having more 9mm over less .45 is preferable, otherwise 2011s wouldn't even be a thing.
Also: its less common, but uh... 5.7?
5.7 is actually more likely to pen body armor, than a 9mm or a .45, if your scenario is you're fighting against other people with body armor.
And you can make a double stack magazine with it.
And there are a fair number of Police, Intelligence, Military organizations that use the FiveSeven regularly.
And... there are now even a growing number of hunters who will tell you that some kind of pistol in 5.7 is their backup, in case of something big ambushing them.
357 is of course very powerful, but they're also huge rounds in comparison to .45 or 9m... kinda hard to fit into a semi-auto pistol.
Unless you wanna talk about the .357 SIG.
... but we don't talk about the .357 SIG ...
it's just the usual "hurr durr anything smaller than .45 is for girls" bullshit. Usually espoused by the sort of ancient old farts who remember carrying one in WWII, Korea, or Vietnam; and who dislike the general shift to smaller bullets going faster because they don't understand terminal ballistics.
Oh man, caliber debates. This shit is way more complicated than just X is more powerful than Y
Nah the sig has way more feats if you read the lore. Honestly I think the power scaling is all over the place. Magnums are on fraud watch tbh haven't done shit for feats in years.
And a .308 would smoke them all. It was specifying if you see smaller caliber, assume rifle.
That’s not at all what it’s specifying. It says “don’t carry a handgun with a caliber lower than .40”
It’s pro-45ACP / anti-9mm boomer gun shit. I have no clue where you’re getting this “smaller means rifle” from the image posted. Like yeah, typically smaller means rifle, but that’s not at all what the image says.
Oh, yeah you're right. I read that wrong. I was reading that as if the caliber of the gun fight is less than .4, don't bring a handgun.
anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice
I’m just imagining a hunter double tapping a dead duck point blank with scatter shot
TBF it does say 'rules for a gunfight' and not 'rules for a duck hunt'. If the duck is part of an armed offensive, and possibly wearing body armor, I think a double tap is appropriate.
Brings it home and put its in his home made duck flinging rig and skeet shoots it.
As a psych nurse my rules for a gunfight are that the ER security checkpoint with the metal detector and x-ray bag scanner better have found and removed the gun by the time the patient arrives on my unit. One day they didn't and I was VERY put out. Absolutely miffed. I wrote a very stern email in the morning.
I think you should have taken the gun and shot security.
That would've taught them.
Sounds like you didn’t follow the first rule of a gunfight
Caliber of every gun in the picture starts with a ".2"
Well it doesn't start with ".4" so i guess their rule still stands for that.
Always bring a bomb to a gunfight
Give the GEP Gun.
Never know when you need to make a silent take down.
Two bombs. They have to be larger than .4 inches though.
Length or width?
G I R T H
Ah bugger, I brought my knife!
Sorry guys.
I know there's a necromancer who favours a 0.577 revolver for the finality of the effect
And I know a buo engineered half human half angel thing who prefers .45 Long Colt...
... but also prefers to never use it to kill.
well you have me at a disadvantage as I can't say I've ever met necromancer but he caries some little infamy
Oh, haha!
Whoops, I made a typo.
Bio engineered, not 'buo'.
Either way... you don't happen to have a donut, do you?
pathetic puppy eyes
