Ai techbros are way too deep into projection...
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I think I know what OOP means here. Films that people only like because they're "good movies."
I think the Avatar films fall into this category, as do most of the "Oscar bait" movies.
Avatar is a glorified tech demo and nobody ever really claim otherwise. I agree Oscarbait might fit this, but I do not understand how Avatar could
i kind of hate avatar because Cameron somehow continues to miss the glaringly obvious potential of just setting loose a bunch of nerds to churn out intricately detailed ecosystems and making Pandora nature documentaries.
Just imagine how popular David Attenborough riding an alien pterodactyl would be, it deserves to exist.
Different kinds of quality. Cgi quality, acting quality
What?
You know how some restaraunts have a reputation for serving "good food" (I.e. gourmet food), but just because it's fancier food it doesn't necessarily mean you'll actually like it more?
So, what are some foods that people only like because they're fancy? (I'd argue caviar is one)
Same idea, but for movies. What are some movies that people only like because they're seen as being "good movies"?
A million flies can't be wrong.
I feel like this is most of shakespears work. Having read a lot of it, i was deeply unimpressed. I found it grueling to work through any of his pieces. And yet theyre universally beloved. Pretty sure its just because everyones teacher told them the book was good.
Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet. Feels like people just like shakespear because everyone else likes shakespear.
Shakespeare's collective works span virtually every genre and introduce virtually every character archetype that is still used in modern literature and media. His works are brimming with word play, which often has triple or quadruple meaning; often dramatic, philosophical, and comedic at the same time. He was so prolific and such a good writer that there are conspiracy theories that he was actually several different playwrights sharing the same pen name.
Granted it's not as easy to appreciate his works today because of how the English language has drifted over the last 500 years, but what other work of literature from 500 years ago can you even point to as being popular today in its original form?
If you want to give Shakespeare a fair shake from the literary appreciation point of view, try reading an annotated copy of his works that provide context and translate the less familiar turns of phrase. It probably won't make you enjoy reading his works, but it should at least help you understand why he's so revered.
In terms of actually enjoying Shakespeare, well... He was a playwright, not a novelist! His works are meant to be seen on a stage. There are some really good performers out there whose emotivity can help bridge the language gap. Some troupes also tweak the dialog to make it more accessible to a modem audience, but I don't generally like that because they tend to lose the puns or at least diminish the layers or the poetry.
The 2009 BBC Hamlet with David Tenant and Patrick Stewart is, without a doubt, the best possible version of hamlet on stage, on film, in its entirety.
I worked through and annotated hamlet and then watched that version. Just me, a dark room, popcorn, and a cozy spot.
It has made me obsess over Hamlet. Such a wonderful story!
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Shakespeare's influence on pretty much all English writing, fiction, theatre, film, narrative form of any sort is so utterly massive it's almost impossible to fathom. His use of plot has informed how plots are constructed ever since. His use of language is still a massive influence on the way we speak today, and phrases he invented are so rooted in our cultural language we forget they were his. Going on a "wild-goose" chase. Having a "heart of gold". To "vanish into thin air". Even: "Knock knock, Who's there?" was his.
His works might be hard work for today's student since the language isn't the language of today. But pick pretty much any genre defining film from 50 years ago and it will seem a bit slow, and flat, and stilted compared to today's films. "It's been done better since!" His works are from 500 years ago!
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So like, the entire Marvel universe?
I sort of get what you're saying, but that's less because the movie is fancy. More that it has a high budget.
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OG Avatar was basically “last of the space Mohicans”.
Also: Jesus tapdancing christ 🤦♂️
The amount of money spent making Avatar movies could probably have paid for universal K-College education for every American for decades with enough money left over to bribe the politicians into voting for something regular people want for a change!
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You know how like some stuff is goodbad but people like it because it's not awful? Like, when it's not made with minimal effort and it seems like someone actually tried write believable dialog.
What are goodbad movies like that movies like that but good.
What?
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"Good movies"
"Oscar bait"
I think the Avatar films fall into this category
I think the Avatar films fall into this category
Nah, those movies are ass. They just have amazing special effects.
... and somehow they still get butts in seats and lots of people enjoy them.
People want to see the cutting-edge cgi. In that sense it absolutely is qualityslop.
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Avatar is not a good film and this I refuse to watch it. In this six part series I will lay out my reasoning, beginning with the moon...
I hate these kinds of "opinions".
It isn't their opinion, they copied the opinion from someone else. To have an opinion on your own you have to have actually experienced the media. Otherwise you are just judging a book by its one review.
Nah, this is things like most Tarantino films, particularly Pulp Fiction, where it's a good movie, but every 17 year old you meet who loves it only loves it because everyone else loves it.
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The new Star Trek show is being called competency porn, which kind of fits this description. Although that's been Star Trek for a long time. I think folks are upset they're targeting youth with the last couple series... which, the average ST fan now being 92 years old, doesn't exactly shock me.
Oh, I love competency porn! My favourite is Martian, both the book and the movie.
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Like everything Christopher Nolan makes.
Like Tenet
I mean, fun idea on paper.
But as a movie i was whelmed. Great actors and shitty script
I liked Tenet, but I also made a conscious decision not to think about the plot too hard and just accept it's vision of it's own universe.
I feel like Nolan movies aren't really about the plot so much as the conceptual notions and visual spectacle. They are almost impressionistic, the plot is just a framing device for everything else.
I kinda think Nolan knows this and gives you a hint by burying the dialog in the mix, your really not supposed to care about the story that much.
big agree: i can only really speak for Interstellar since that's kinda the only movie of his i've properly seen, but the description that comes to mind for that is 'the distillation of movies as "art" '.
It's not there for the logical part of your brain, it's there for the feeling part.
Like a really moody landscape painting, there's no point in logically examining the brush strokes of a random tree. What you're invited to think about is the atmosphere of it, how it makes you feel.
And what i appreciate is that i don't get the vibe of it wallowing in its 'artsyness', which can often ruin 'artsy' stuff.Spoiler for Interstellar
Take that bookshelf scene inside the black hole in Interstellar, it very very obviously makes no sense whatsoever but the visuals and concept makes you think and feel.
I made the mistake to watch Interstellar with my brain switched on because people were hyping the super-accurate science so much. I left so angry because the movie is so fucking dumb. Sure, the black hole was fun. But the 5 seconds it's on screen is not enough to carry the rest of the stupid as fuck plot.
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I didn't understand Tenet.
As in, i couldn't hear/make out what they where whispering to each other the whole time.
That's because according to Christopher Nolan, the audio system in your home cinema setup or local cinema setup isn't worthy. He took audiophile snobbery to the next level. I love most of his films, but he needs to allow the sound engineers to master the audio so that it works for everyone.
I should rewatch Tenet. I think I liked it, and I see criticism all over the internet recently.
Don’t be afraid to like stuff. The internet is often diametrically opposed to liking stuff, because SOMEONE doesn’t like it, and they’re going to be the loudest voice.
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Media criticism has become so full of right-wing messaging, that quality-slop doesn't sound off-base. Kinda like poes law.
These CHOADS take the time to learn media-criticism jargon and aesthetics, but they use those to make single-digit 'your Dad' type complaints. The most popular being the existence of black actors.
I've seen people vehemently argue scientific accuracy in Star Wars. People are aggregated right now at the "unrealistic" casting of black actors in a Cyclops movie. Next to this insanity, quality-slop sounds pretty reasonable.
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