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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158
When will we prolls wrap our heads around the fact that we have been excluded from the Democratic process by the electoral vote. Not trying to be mean or sarcastic I'm just looking for a timeline.
I want to preface this by saying that I do vote in every election, and I think everyone should exercise their right to vote.
That being said, both parties are bad. We're in a class war, and the Democrats are just as beholden/part of the oligarchy as the Republicans are.
The Republicans are definitely worse than the Democrats. There's no question there, but what we really need is a fucking revolution.
The idea of a "revolution" is just a meme. The only people who dream about them are people who are too online and college students, and the reason for that is because these are the people who don't have a lot of responsibilities. A revolution means violence, it means destruction, it means instability, it means danger. These are things that most people want to avoid because they have families, work, and lives of their own. The only people who go out and do things like this are people with nothing to lose, like the people of Iran a couple of months ago. Just like what we saw in Iran, revolution attempts are not guaranteed to be successful, and even when they are, sometimes the new system is even worse. This is often the case, and for the people who gave up everything, their sacrifices will only be in vain. A revolution is not something that's desirable or realistic.
We're basically living through the second gilded age where robber barons are robbing the country blind to their benefit while government is rolling over. What we need is somebody like Teddy Roosevelt. Somebody who can't be bought, can't be influenced, and can't be shaken. We need somebody who's not scared of the billionaire class, not wooed by dark money, and is principled to their core so much so that they see it as their life mission to break up monopolies and take the billionaires. Once we have that person, a coalition will form around them, and that's when real change can happen.
Your frequent reminder from the local queer, leftist furry that if "voting didn't work," Republicans and billionaires wouldn't spend billions of dollars on voter suppression and propaganda telling you that your vote doesn't matter.
Do your part, waste billionaire money by voting anyway, by any means necessary~
Dear Americans, voting for Democrats will get you nowhere, too. I know this is hard, but you will have to start a revolution or vote for a third party in an unprecedented coordinated effort.
That doesn't negate the fact that both parties are, in fact, bad.
The two parties serve the same people. Each has different talking points they push, but they're both pushing us in one direction.
So you were against Biden forgiving student loan debt and reducing CO2 emissions?
No. And I also wasnt against trump making animal cruelty a federal offense or getting us out of Afghanistan. I'm just not naive enough to believe that one or two token policies I support means this dipshit is on my side.
If you don't vote then you don't get to complain until the next election.
You refused to have a say and now you have to live with the consequences. No bitching.
And you should do that in all elections. Small and big.
As an American that's never not voted, I don't understand these fucking assholes.
Genuinely... Fuck them. We're fucked because of the people that don't vote, not because of the minority of insane MAGA's.
The winner of our last presidential election was actually "didn't vote".
You're assuming people who don't care enough to vote are still informed enough to vote, and that's not true. I know people who oscillate between voting republican and not voting mostly just because they believe what the republican politicians say. Recently, I gave one a series of examples explaining how implementing the "protecting the children" policies actually harmed children, women, or people in general -- and they were horrified. It was the first time I ever convinced anyone of anything politically, and I ended up convincing them they weren't informed enough to vote.
Maybe I would agree with obligatory voting if we had both ranked voting and a none-of-the-above / random-citizen-lottery option, but choosing between politicians who actively mislead people is a dangerous activity.
I mean, both sides DO suck. But the decision being made boils down to which side you think has the best chance of leading to an eventual outcome that doesn't suck. I'm not voting for a party I like, because frankly that doesn't exist as a viable option, but I'm not going to not vote just because neither side is better than a 3/10. I'd rather the 3/10 than the 1/10.
I think there's real value in being honest about your feelings. The people who represent us need to know we think they suck. The people around us need to feel like others have the same struggles we do. The space for nuance does exist.
“Literally the only way”? They tried violent treason and have refused to swear in duly elected reps that are not of their party. If you think they’ll leave when their term is up just because you voted someone else in… the major players aren’t going anywhere. These aren’t the kind of people that gain power and then let it go. Don’t not vote, but don’t believe that’s how we’re getting out of this mess.
If you are form the US, you are having your primaries by now.
Those are the ones where good people appear and need your vote to stay on the race. Go participate there, instead of complaining about the main election.
Now the question is which is easier, convincing millions of people to vote for “anyone not a republican” or convincing a candidate to be more than “not republican”
it doesn't really matter - regardless of how difficult it is, we should be doing both
Hey, primaries are around now. It's a great time for that!
Participate in primaries. THIS is the election you want for that.
Uh-oh. I guess this means I should show up to the polls next time. And vote for the less-bad candidate.
But I hate it. I HATE ALL OF IT.
I like how people here are trying to have a discussion of whether or not voting third party, or voting at all, is necessary when there are currently concerns (and investigations) of Trump and the Epstein class rigging this last election in the first place. I should also remind everyone that there were similar concerns when Bush first got elected back in 2000. How sure are we that we can rely on voting if that is indeed true?
Furthermore-- I voted for Harris, but I am fucking sick and tired of voting for Democrats. Fucking sick and tired! They are fucking useless. I voted Democrat these last four presidential elections and it is these Democrats and the party as a whole who helped usher in Trump. It has done nothing but cause problems. Biden carved the pathway for both Trump and Netanyahu to carry on the genocide in Palestine and now in Lebanon. He helped the Israeli government go on this psychotic imperialistic crusade against others like Iran and very soon Cuba. And Greenland. Harris vowed that she would continuing working with the Israeli government if she was elected, and she vowed to have the ICE budget expanded also. Both sides ARE fucking bad. Democrats have done jack shit to try to impeach Trump or 25th amendment him so far despite the child sex trafficking through ICE arrests, nor the outright kidnapping and murders of American citizens on the streets and in ICE encampments. Nor for kidnapping leaders of other countries. The list goes on. Just impeachment alone.
Most Democrat congressmen are financed by AIPAC just like the Republicans. Whether anyone is liking or not, the Democrats are 1,000% enabling the Republicans, and even if Harris won this last election, we will be dealing with the potentiality that the Republicans would come back in full force by mid-terms or general elections anyway.
I understand that voting blue no matter who is a way for people to feel as though they are doing something. I still encourage voting. But voting blue no matter who, no matter how bad or how mediocre the candidate is, is clearly not working at all.
