I don't think anyone is arguing gender inequality doesn't exist. Also this is class/power issue not a gender issue.
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Yeah the women in the epstein files are also getting away scott free. And maxwell absolutely is compared to the punishment she should be getting.
It can be both. Both things can exist simultaneously. They are not mutually exclusive. I hope you understand that
There are women in the Epstein files too, nothing happen to them either.
I mean maxwell is the only person associated with Epstein in jail right now......
This is a class problem not a sex problem
That's right it goes in the "class issue" hole lol.
I get why people see it as a sex issue since most of the rich people in positions of power that seemingly don't face consequences are men.
most of the rich people in positions of power that seemingly don’t face consequences are men.
which is just pure coincidence, right? in a world where genders are split 50:50, it is just the men who have skills necessary to reach these positions. no gender bias here at all...
Exactly. The fappening did not end any careers of celebrities
It's a bit of both, but the gender problem is at least partially derived from the fact that the larger portion of assholes at the top are men.
Getting rid of them or clipping their wings would likely be overall better for women. Replacing them with a billionaire-class of women would not.
This one is an issue of class, not gender.
Mmm, there are still gender stratifications within class, as well as class stratifications within gender. The existence of the Epstein class is a class issue; the misogyny of that class is a gender issue; the structural prevention of women to enter that class is both a class issue and a gender issue. And I'm not even getting into race. Like, Oprah dropping nudes is going to be taken differently than Kendal Kardashian, but both are still billionaires, and both would face more blowback than Epstein's friends within the same eschelon of the owning class.
Yeah, agree. Im just talking about the issue as it applies to meme. There absolutely is room for both things
Im not sure this is the double standard you think it is. Women who are in the epstein files also seem to be getting off pretty easily.
Not as easily as they would with fresh slave children to rape, but easily.
I find that, just as some people don't think trans men exist, some people don't think woman can be rapists or paedophiles.
Once again, Lemmy proving that tunnel vision and framing Every.Single.Issue through class struggle exclusively betrays a fundamental sense of empathy and understanding of any other topic whatsoever
I get it. You guys are experts on leninist theory. There are other issues happening concurrently. We can work to solve class inequality without dismissing the struggle of women or those faced by minorities. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Tin hat on: I am starting to think this dismissive strategy is intentional. There feels like an undercurrent of self sabotage intended to dilute the efforts of building a movement around class consciousness by deliberately undermining others struggles. The intended goal of this self sabotage is to never have to address concrete issues. It seems that as long as we remain in the realm of the abstract, we can keep the discourse aloof and disconnected from the real effects of what si happening through action. I can't prove this of course. The more likely reality is Lemmy is overwhelmingly men, and men in tech. Their frame of reference is... Not the greatest when it comes gender issues
Tin hat contd: in other words, by keeping the discourse in the abstract birds eye view of theory and never addressing concrete issues (such as gender inequality), the conversation can self replicate endlessly without an exit path towards actionable items.
Tin hat off
Yeah, this isn't so much about men/women, as it is about money. Like there was a story on here recently about the connection to Ariane Rothschild, and how she basically introduced him to all the power people / helped establish his honey trap -- story claimed her name showed up like 12k times in the files, but little/nothing's happened. Her name is basically verboten in all media.... because she's stupid rich. And Ghislaine is currently alive in a min security prison, with a dog -- while Epstein was killed. So, like in terms of the 'main people' perpetrating the crime, the guy in the couple got killed, the woman got a dog.
At least the rich men are getting named and semi shamed, like Gates needing to eat crow for fuckin on the island and passing an STD to his then wife.
The only person serving time for a global conspiracy to rape children is a woman.
She's a terrible woman who deserves it, but it's still telling.
TBH, there was another guy but he is either dead or disappeared now.
But the factor of whether people get tried for their crimes is much more about wealth and connection than gender IMO. Even in jail she's given preferential treatment, and I'm sure there are other women who have been involved with Epstein's Island of evil in additional to the rich men.
Even the fact that the only associate behind bars is a woman should tell you something
Exactly. She deserves jail but so do a lot of other people
There are high society women involved with Epstein too and none of them have been held accountable. In fact the only woman to receive a punishment just got moved to a min security prison and was given a puppy. Stop using heinous shit to push your agenda
There's proof Matt Gaetz paid a teenager for sex, and literally nothing was done.
I used to write cheeky notes in the memos of checks to friends and family (eg "for: eye hole widening" or some shit like that) until I learned the bank and your accountant read that shit and if it looked or smelled funny they were professionally and ethically obligated to report it.
Now I make sure it's embarrassing just not reportable. (eg "for: butthole removal, 2nd attempt")
i remember the 2016 race when identity politics were used as a wedge issue to break up class consciousness
Gender equality is inseparable from class consciousness. The amount of leftist on this platform who are dismissive of feminism is kinda insane. If our class can't support and aid the most endangered minorities within our own body, why have any hope that any of this is actually about solidarity.
Feminism is foundational in creating class consciousness in western society, you start from the bottom up. If you don't upset the social economic hierarchy then there is no reason for disenfranchised minorities to believe a revolution would be anything but a civil dispute within the current hegemony.
As a feminist, i wasn’t being dismissive of feminism. i was referring to the propaganda used to push apolitical disenfranchised straight white men further to the right by creating a “radical” boogie monster version of feminism that made it feel anti male and not about equality.
a similar thing happened with the whole “misogynistic bernie bro” smearing during the dem primary.
The Metoo movement didn't even scratch the surface. Every single grown women I have had the privilege to talk to has been sexually assaulted in their lifetime. My wife, my mother, and now my daughters.
The backlash from the Metoo movement has been insane. Cops, prosecutors, and judges have ensured that there will be no justice. The President is a damn child rapist for Christ's sake. We are absolutely fucked when it comes to gender inequality.
Still waiting for the Equal Rights Amendment to be ratified.
It’s crazy how accountability seems to depend on who you are, not what you did.
How much money you have, that's all that matters.
This isn't a gender inequality issue. The problem is the Epstein class, not the Epstein gender.
It's always enlightening to see every time a post about sexism make the front page of Lemmy how many people in the comments argue that sexism isn't an actual problem.
Looks more to me like people arguing sexism isn't the problem on this specific case, because it's not. This is a class issue, not a gender issue. Men and women alike see consequences for CSA, as long as they aren't wealthy or connected enough to have at least a couple Senators on speed dial.
Honestly, it kind of fucking breaks my heart. I usually love the climate and culture on Lemmy. But every time this shit comes up, there is an overwhelming outcry to try and downplay the role of sexism, to highlight outliers in the data while ignoring the obvious trends, and a fuck ton of lemmings do their best Tucker Carlson impression and "just ask questions" that coincidentally reinforce a misogynistic world view.
I don't think many people deny it's existence. Right-wingers usually justify it by appealing to nature.
I, personally don't think that introducing girl-bosses and cancel-culture will help with the systemic issue that creates this gender inequality.
my personal lifehack is posting my own nudes publicly on mastodon so there's nothing to leak 😎
Mine is posting them in a medical textbook so people pay to see them