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[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 71 points 6 days ago (8 children)

This one is an issue of class, not gender.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mmm, there are still gender stratifications within class, as well as class stratifications within gender. The existence of the Epstein class is a class issue; the misogyny of that class is a gender issue; the structural prevention of women to enter that class is both a class issue and a gender issue. And I'm not even getting into race. Like, Oprah dropping nudes is going to be taken differently than Kendal Kardashian, but both are still billionaires, and both would face more blowback than Epstein's friends within the same eschelon of the owning class.

[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Yeah, agree. Im just talking about the issue as it applies to meme. There absolutely is room for both things

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, this isn't so much about men/women, as it is about money. Like there was a story on here recently about the connection to Ariane Rothschild, and how she basically introduced him to all the power people / helped establish his honey trap -- story claimed her name showed up like 12k times in the files, but little/nothing's happened. Her name is basically verboten in all media.... because she's stupid rich. And Ghislaine is currently alive in a min security prison, with a dog -- while Epstein was killed. So, like in terms of the 'main people' perpetrating the crime, the guy in the couple got killed, the woman got a dog.

At least the rich men are getting named and semi shamed, like Gates needing to eat crow for fuckin on the island and passing an STD to his then wife.

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[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Once again, Lemmy proving that tunnel vision and framing Every.Single.Issue through class struggle exclusively betrays a fundamental sense of empathy and understanding of any other topic whatsoever

I get it. You guys are experts on leninist theory. There are other issues happening concurrently. We can work to solve class inequality without dismissing the struggle of women or those faced by minorities. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Tin hat on: I am starting to think this dismissive strategy is intentional. There feels like an undercurrent of self sabotage intended to dilute the efforts of building a movement around class consciousness by deliberately undermining others struggles. The intended goal of this self sabotage is to never have to address concrete issues. It seems that as long as we remain in the realm of the abstract, we can keep the discourse aloof and disconnected from the real effects of what si happening through action. I can't prove this of course. The more likely reality is Lemmy is overwhelmingly men, and men in tech. Their frame of reference is... Not the greatest when it comes gender issues

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tin hat contd: in other words, by keeping the discourse in the abstract birds eye view of theory and never addressing concrete issues (such as gender inequality), the conversation can self replicate endlessly without an exit path towards actionable items.

Tin hat off

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The only person serving time for a global conspiracy to rape children is a woman.

She's a terrible woman who deserves it, but it's still telling.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

TBH, there was another guy but he is either dead or disappeared now.

But the factor of whether people get tried for their crimes is much more about wealth and connection than gender IMO. Even in jail she's given preferential treatment, and I'm sure there are other women who have been involved with Epstein's Island of evil in additional to the rich men.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

you mean maxwell in probably a 5 star hotel of a prison?

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago

And she's allowed to leave that prison. Doesn't sound like a prison huh?

[–] cockmushroom@reddthat.com 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Even the fact that the only associate behind bars is a woman should tell you something

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 4 points 5 days ago

Exactly. She deserves jail but so do a lot of other people

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[–] paul@lemmy.org 27 points 6 days ago

There are high society women involved with Epstein too and none of them have been held accountable. In fact the only woman to receive a punishment just got moved to a min security prison and was given a puppy. Stop using heinous shit to push your agenda

[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's proof Matt Gaetz paid a teenager for sex, and literally nothing was done.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I used to write cheeky notes in the memos of checks to friends and family (eg "for: eye hole widening" or some shit like that) until I learned the bank and your accountant read that shit and if it looked or smelled funny they were professionally and ethically obligated to report it.

Now I make sure it's embarrassing just not reportable. (eg "for: butthole removal, 2nd attempt")

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Metoo movement didn't even scratch the surface. Every single grown women I have had the privilege to talk to has been sexually assaulted in their lifetime. My wife, my mother, and now my daughters.

The backlash from the Metoo movement has been insane. Cops, prosecutors, and judges have ensured that there will be no justice. The President is a damn child rapist for Christ's sake. We are absolutely fucked when it comes to gender inequality.

Still waiting for the Equal Rights Amendment to be ratified.

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[–] sanbdra@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s crazy how accountability seems to depend on who you are, not what you did.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago

How much money you have, that's all that matters.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

It's always enlightening to see every time a post about sexism make the front page of Lemmy how many people in the comments argue that sexism isn't an actual problem.

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago

Looks more to me like people arguing sexism isn't the problem on this specific case, because it's not. This is a class issue, not a gender issue. Men and women alike see consequences for CSA, as long as they aren't wealthy or connected enough to have at least a couple Senators on speed dial.

[–] TaterTot@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago

Honestly, it kind of fucking breaks my heart. I usually love the climate and culture on Lemmy. But every time this shit comes up, there is an overwhelming outcry to try and downplay the role of sexism, to highlight outliers in the data while ignoring the obvious trends, and a fuck ton of lemmings do their best Tucker Carlson impression and "just ask questions" that coincidentally reinforce a misogynistic world view.

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yep you can play misogyny bingo with it

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[–] vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

my personal lifehack is posting my own nudes publicly on mastodon so there's nothing to leak 😎

Mine is posting them in a medical textbook so people pay to see them

[–] bfg9k@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yup, post is 100% correct, gender inequality is all around us. It's even in the thread with us right now.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Do not paint the whole world with an American brush.

America allows criminals to exist and abuse the world so long as they have money. Why do you think the worst kinds of people go to the United States in order to get rich?

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