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[–] citizensongbird@lemmy.world 102 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I thought it was obvious from the video that he nicked his ear on the secret service person's belt buckle on the way down when they were piling onto him? It explains the paltry amount of blood that appears only after he's down, not to mention the optimal healing time. No bullet did that.

I don't believe it was staged. Everything that came after, yes, lies upon lies, exploiting the situation to its maximum potential, absolutely. But a real rifle was fired, a real bystander was killed, and Trump's secret service really was incompetent enough to let it happen. No need to invent anything when the obvious truth is damning enough.

[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (18 children)

Given how pivotal it was to his campaign, I think it's worth considering how such a thing could be pulled off if it was planned:

People that want to tell stories to drive history need the right characters. Modern information technology makes that easier than ever.

Find a kid with firearm access who's into something embarrassing online. Preferably someone who wouldn't shoot the president, so a supporter. Tell him you know what he does in secret and you'll tell everyone, including police, if they don't co-operate.

Tell them to go to the chosen firing position and to shoot into the crowd behind the candidate. Tell them you'll provide protection and a getaway. Tell them there will be a magazine loaded with blanks for them to use at the firing position (they're live rounds).

When the shots are fired, secret service ties off the loose end without any interaction from the planners, and the kid never even has a name for who put him up to it.

[–] citizensongbird@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

For your consideration: It's somewhat well known the reason Trump eats so much fast food hamburger is because he has a fear of being assassinated by poison (due to a lifetime of screwing people over and socializing with the wrong sort). Do you really think that kind of paranoia would agree to allow a mentally unstable kid with a rifle anywhere near him? That doesn't make sense to me.

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[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Occams Razor may have nicked his ear also? Wait a second, same thing. But yeah 100% this comment above.

The regime took a situation, spun the bejesus out of it. And umm, that is what was offered up. Poor kid could have received some therapy. Turning him into target practice was way way more cost effective and therefore practical. 🤮

[–] VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The bullet could have hit the podium, which caused a bunch of bits to blow off, one of which cut his ear.

Edit: I read this theory in the reporting when it happened, and it was never really addressed or officially denied or dismissed later on.

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[–] BipolarSilence@lemmy.cafe 35 points 6 days ago

Oh they're finally catching up? Wait until they hear about the Epstein files

[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Two things stand out that scream staged.

The photographer were ushered into position just under the president right as the US flag was lowered into position in order to get the iconic photo of him with arm raises surrounded by secret service and the flag.

Also somehow the official whiteboard photographer caught a pic of the bullet in mid flight just a foot behind his head

I know journalists like to go to war zones and such but running towards the target of a shooting with no protective gear is not gonna happen. They also just kind of shimmied into position... There wasn't any real panic

Also the pic of the bullet is just too much... There's no way

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There’s a photo that has the bullet in mid flight? Is that even optically possible? That should be case closed right off the bat.

Edit: OK I take it back, the photo has it all stretched out as I’d expect.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/picture-trump-bullet/

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[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I just think it’s weird there’s just next to nothing known about all these assassins. They just stop talking about them and aren’t interested once they find out they’re also MAGA. If they were a Dem they wouldn’t shut up about it I’m sure.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory content for entertainment - it's fascinating psychology to me. If I could get a PhD in it, I could do a 200-page thesis this weekend.

Between this and ol' neck-hole, the T voters started off really just salivating ready to get out their guns and start mowing down anyone left of alt-right Rwanda-style. When the obvious profile of "nut with a gun" pointed the finger back at people like them with mental health issues and guns, it forced a lot of what it normally forces - some sort of delusion of "DeepState-CIA-Massad-FBI-Unilever-SCJohnsonWax-Soros wanted (insert name here) dead because of (insert batshit crazy thing here)."

They have such a level of group-think and us-vs-them bias that it's genuinely incomprehensible that someone "on their team" could do anything bad to anyone. Self-reflection and wondering things like "oh....should we have gun regulation?" is tantamount to self-castration to them. That's not an exaggeration.

As a group, under-educated rural voters that trend towards conspiracy mindsets (for 20-40 years, long before MAGA was a thing) have spent so long gaslighting themselves into thinking that nothing bad can happen IRL with no conspiracy behind it unless it fits into their "when do we get to use the guns?" Turner Diary (which was rope, but that's not important) genocidal moment, nothing else is possible. Only conspiracies and the terrible atrocities of liberals happen. Nothing else. Ever.

So when the Butler, PA guy doesn't fit the "Evil Satan-worshiping Urban Youth DemoRAT with a gun!" model, the default position is "See? ThEy almost succeeded!"

Then fast-forward a year and once the Epstein stuff comes back around, which makes the whole house of cards wobbly, they've dug themselves into such a deep hole mentally, there's no coming back from it. Just throwing one MAGA personality into the pit after the next because they're all connected to Israeli money, so they're burning their own talking heads faster than new ones can rise up the ranks. So at this point, everything to them is a psyop, everything is false flags and mind control and the CIA because the reality that Republicans and wealthy people are huge shitbags doesn't fit their 2 allowed modes of thinking.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

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[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Recently I also came across this argument: Trump in general thrives of beef. He will bring up some disagreement from 50 years ago at the drop of a hat and holds onto it forever.

The (2 so far?) assassination attempts? Not a word. Doesn’t seem to give 2 shits about being shot at.

Odd at the very least.

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[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That shit was CLEARLY staged, planned, stage managed, etc, whatever.

HIS EAR?? Anyone remember how fast that shit healed? I get a hangnail and it's there for like 3 weeks

The photo op that was VERY OBVIOUSLY intentional?

The video of his aide shuffling in a WHOLE ASS GROUP of photographers literally THE SECOND shots were fired?

The lady behind Trump that doesn't even flinch, just films it all?

THE SHOOTERS NAME IS CROOK

[–] sploder@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And the fact that Trump, the biggest coward in history, draft dodger extraordinaire, rose back up from a circle of protection while he’s just been shot at?? Please. He’d rather those “ idiot security “ people take the hit and die before he risked being hit. I feel if he were in actual unplanned danger he’d be shidding and pissing all the way to the car without a second thought for a photo op.

[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

lol right? he shits himself at a press conference unprompted, if there was actual danger who knows how he'd react

edit: remember when he SHIT HIMSELF on camera and maga just .... let it go?

[–] JustTheWind@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The shooting was definitely real. The furthest down this conspiracy rabbit hole that I'm willing to go is entertaining the idea that the bloodied ear could have possibly resulted from colliding with SS hip mounted service weapon when he was "tackled" for cover.

That said, no one needs to tell the conspiracy prone MAGA base any of this. He's spent at least the last decade and a half curating and exploiting the most conspiracy prone (nicest language I can use) people in this country into his following. He deserves worse than this bed he made.

[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The photographers being ushered into perfect position as the flag lowers kind of gives it away

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, I don't feel like that is an argument for it being staged. Like if there is a real assassination attempt, of course the first thing I would want is a photo of it, even more if I'm campaigning.
Even just when I had a minor accident on a ski slope against a tree, I wanted a photo first before standing up again

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[–] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The one thing that doesn't make sense to me about this is why wouldn't they plant evidence that the assassin was a leftist or at least a liberal? Wouldn't that make more sense if the goal was to increase the odds of Trump's victory? Though it's possible that they just didn't bother or tried to but were too incompetent. Either way, I'm not going to say for sure if it was staged or not until we get definitive evidence, but it is plausible.

[–] Loce@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Then the democrats would want more proof and more scrutiny in the whole process. Now they swipe it under the rug.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Some of the president’s biggest supporters are now claiming, without evidence

Something that will surely be ignored here.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (5 children)

What are you suggesting? Because that line asserts "without evidence", you're unwilling to accept that the official story isn't honest?

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist, you don't need to invent new scenarios that need to evidence, just examine the official narrative and ask yourself if the holes are small enough to ignore?

  1. The shooter fired from a roof that was outside the Secret Service security perimeter. Reuters reported that Crooks fired from a rooftop that had been left outside the Secret Service perimeter, and former officials described that as a major omission. Reuters also reported that neither Secret Service nor local police had secured that roof.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16

  1. Responsibility for the AGR complex was blurred between Secret Service, state police, and local law enforcement. The House task force found that officers were posted along the fence line near the AGR complex to prevent foot traffic, but they were not tasked with watching the AGR complex or roof itself. The same report says the Secret Service was “overly reliant” on state and local representations regarding security at the AGR complex.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. There was no true unified command post. The House report says a unified command post would have allowed faster real-time updates among security partners. Instead, key information was relayed indirectly, including by phone, which slowed dissemination in the critical minutes before the shooting.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Different agencies were operating on different radio systems and information was not flowing cleanly. The task force found that multiple law-enforcement entities were operating on different radio frequencies, and that the lack of local law-enforcement representation in the Security Room increased the chance that essential information would be delayed or lost. AP likewise reported communication breakdowns with local law enforcement as a central failure.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. The counter-unmanned aircraft system was down for most of the day. The House report states that the C-UAS system remained nonoperational through most of the day and was only successfully activated at about 4:33 p.m. The report also found that not all relevant advance and supervisory agents were informed it was down.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. The shooter flew a drone over the area despite the anti-drone capability gap. The task force concluded the C-UAS failure mattered because Crooks flew a drone near the rally site that afternoon while the system meant to detect or mitigate such activity was not operational. That is one of the clearest documented capability gaps in the record.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Line-of-sight concerns from the AGR area were known in advance. The House report says line-of-sight concerns were discussed repeatedly during the week before the event. It specifically describes proposed mitigations including Penske trucks, equipment, banners, flags, and tractors to block vulnerable sight lines from the AGR area.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Even though line-of-sight concerns were repeatedly discussed, the vulnerable area was not effectively neutralized. The same House report shows there was confusion about who was actually responsible for making sure those mitigation measures were set correctly. That matters because it shifts this from “unknown blind spot” to “known concern with muddled ownership.”

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Law enforcement noticed a suspicious person well before the shooting. AP reported that officers became concerned about Crooks before the shooting, and the House report says that by 5:52 p.m., almost 20 minutes before the first shots, at least nine Secret Service personnel were aware of a suspicious person near the AGR complex.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. The suspicious-person information was not broadly shared inside the Secret Service. The House report says that in four separate instances where Secret Service personnel were alerted to a suspicious person near the AGR complex, each individual failed to share the information broadly. It says the information was only broadly shared by counter-sniper personnel shortly before shots were fired.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. The suspect had been seen with a rangefinder before the attack. The House report includes witness testimony describing Crooks using a rangefinder. It also says that by 5:52 p.m. personnel were aware of a suspicious person who had previously been seen with one. AP also reported that people at the rally and law enforcement flagged him before the shooting.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. Warnings from bystanders and local officers did not produce a fast enough protective response. AP’s reconstruction describes a chain of missed chances in which Crooks was seen acting suspiciously, was reported, and still managed to reach the roof and fire. The House report similarly says crucial information did not reliably reach all necessary personnel in time for informed protective decisions.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. Even when updates were being passed, critical details did not reliably reach decision-makers in the Security Room. The House report gives a specific example: one official said he “never heard man on a roof,” even though others believed roof-related information had been relayed. That is a concrete documented disconnect, not a vague criticism.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. The failure pattern was not just one bad call, but a stack of compounding failures. Public reporting and official reviews point to the same cluster: unsecured roof, ambiguous responsibility, fragmented communications, lack of unified command, line-of-sight concerns known in advance, suspicious-person sightings not escalated effectively, and a degraded anti-drone capability. That does not prove conspiracy, but it does establish a dense factual basis for “the system was full of exploitable holes.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf


Is it really just a series of incompetent actions and a kid conveniently planning his execution attempt to line up with all the incompetence? It's possible, certainly. Are there other more likely explanations?

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[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

so they shoot a kid until the body was destroyed just to make it look more real

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

They good like that. Sickening & quite unfortunate. But at least we know their strategy & strengths or(weakest points). Tomato tomato.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago

Because it was

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 16 points 6 days ago (6 children)

It was an obvious and clumsy hoax from the moment it happened. It was so obvious, that even MAGA decided to back off, and let it die down. Normally they'd be screaming about it every chance they got, but it went silent within a week.

Trump tried to bring it up a few times during speeches and such, trying to get sympathy, but nobody picked it up, because they don't want to shine a light on it. The dumbest MAGA motherfuckers bought it, but NOBODY else did. And now even MAGAs are finally admitting that it was a hoax, demonstrating that the whole thing is finally starting to come apart.

And if it was a hoax, then blowing off the head of that scummy MAGA firefighter in front of his entire family was MURDER! So who greenlit this operation? Who planned it? Who supervised it? Who knew about it before, and after? Because ALL those people are on the hook for First Degree Murder charges.

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[–] joan@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I don't think it's staged , but if it were, I think it would be very interesting why they didn't choose one of their usual targets for fearbaiting (trans, immigrant, leftist) to be the assassin.

[–] theblurstoftimes@leminal.space 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I’ve thought about it too and have concluded that the shooter they the got to take the fall was more than willingly to eat a lead sandwich for trumpy. He had a reputation for being the weird conservative kid at school. He had experience shooting long range rifles but it was said he wasn’t that good either. Then add to the that not much was ever learned about him and that’s also suspicious. It’s like the had the perfect guy to use.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 32 points 6 days ago (14 children)

I watched a YouTube video where someone tried to recreate the shot that apparently sliced his ear so slightly that all it did was bleed a little...and they failed every time.

Simply due to the pressure wave created by the passing bullet, there was no possible way that bullet just knicked him without also doing noticeable damage to the rest of his head. That side of his face would have been bruised and swollen, and his entire ear would have been pulped.

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[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I liked when the camera people were rushed into the proper spot and the flag was lowered so it'd be in the frame when he reappeared

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[–] EatYourOrach@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My conspiracy theory is Corey Comperatore was a blood sacrifice for Project 2025 ghouls. He was also proof that the gun was loaded with real bullets.

Leading up to the election, Christian fundie social media spaces were stuffed with bible verses (Leviticus and Revelations) and commentary about whether earblood was A Sign. So now they're shifting the narrative from Trump's being annointed by god to being the outright antichrist? Even when his supporters seem to be distancing themselves, you can see he's still the most important person in the world to them. It's so frigging weird.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, the Antichrist narrative from everything I have read fits him like a glove. So maybe they are just noticing what was already there as they find ways to de/reprogram themselves

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

de/reprogram

not exactly deprogramming. Not quite reprogramming either...hmmm ... I think they're distro hopping.

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

Is the shroud of Trump's bedtime stories of their own projected hopes and dreams finally being pierced by his unparalleled incompetence?

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Non-maga here...it was my very first thought when I saw the footage.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I've said that since day one. There is no way in hell the draft dodging orange chicken shit would stand up and fist pump while under fire. The fucking loser would piss and shit his pants!

[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The only evidence you need that its staged?

There's no fucking way a 78 year old man is getting shot and not lying on the floor in a puddle of blood, piss and shit immediately after

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago
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