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Plot-wise, Star Wars without politics is just Keeping Up With The Skywalkers

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I know bigots will be bigots but it really annoys me that they blindly think being queer is political but need proof that war is political.

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Wait you're telling me the gays aren't just doing gay to upset the illiterate bible thumpers?

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

That’s because there are only two sexualities; straight and political.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

I dunno, I'm kinda tired hearing, "as long as they can justify why they're there it's fine".

Great, so happy to justify my existence. I'm assuming the straight male doesn't have that problem anywhere though right? They just belong everywhere right?

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

George Lucas literally compared the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars to the Viet Cong in an interview back in the day.

[–] clifmo@programming.dev 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Star Wars is not exactly subtle or full of nuance. It's pulp, and it wears that badge with unironic, cinematic pride.

​It is the spiritual successor to the 1930s Saturday morning serials of bold archetypes, primary-colored morality, and breakneck pacing where the stakes are always "the fate of the galaxy" and the villains wear literal black masks. It doesn't ask you to deconstruct the socioeconomic subtext of a spice mine.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 231 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I remember when Star Wars wasn't political. It was a time known as "the movie didn't even exist back then".

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago (2 children)

At least Star Trek remains unsullied by politics

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 49 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Yeah. There's no need for politics anymore when you already have an intergalactic socialist utopia.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I'm a completely apolitical trans socialist in a queerplatonic relationship with a robotic hivemind, and I am OUTRAGED that some people these days are trying to politicise the prime directive and use it to force us to accept genetically engineered people!

- Average Federation citizen

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[–] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 173 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ah yes, war. My favorite apolitical pass time

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (15 children)
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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (22 children)

(as i wrote last time this was posted here)

he followed up to simultaneously say he was joking while also doubling down 🤦

screenshot of follow-up tweet linked below

https://xcancel.com/theronster/status/1538239717032042497

also... blurring his name was really not necessary; he's so proud of this that a screenshot of his reddit comment about it is still his pinned tweet four years later.

and it's also his twitter bio now:screenshot of twitter profileAaron Abernethy@theronsterthe ultimate authority on Star Wars and its relationship to 20th century warfareBelfast, Northern Irelandabout.me/aaronabernethy/with pinned tweet from 18 June 2022 with screenshot of reddit comment (OCR'd below):So... this is me, and apparently flat affect irony is something that a lot of people in the US can'tparse. Sorry for that.I'm afraid, to spoil the fun, I was very aware of the allegory and was attempting some very lightirony that seemed to be missed. But, when all is said and done, I know the rules ofthe internet. Ishould have put a /s or some sort of emoji to illustrate my feelings, and I should have realisedthat the bad-faith brigade would assume it was a face-value response.Im not going to delete the tweet or anything, people are enjoying themselves and who amIgetin the way ofthat.And for a little context, Im a 44 year old who is pretty much in love with pre-1990 cinema,especially the first wave of movie brats. Im actually NOT a huge Star Wars fan, but Im very awareofthe stories behind making it, since Tve heavily studied the story of American Zoetrope and thepersonalities that encircled it.And, yes, as someone pointed out, lam from Northern Ireland, and while you would think thatwould give me a heightened awareness of querrilla warfare, it's mostiy NOT jungle and swamphere, despite what the postcards would imply.Anyway, hey everyone, Im Aaron, Im here to be dunked on by the internet - its my turn

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ah yes. The classic "lolololol I was just kidding and you fell for it lolololol" excuse.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Also, ironically, he means "I was being sarcastic", not "I was being ironic".

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

What an insufferable cunt. It’s because people like him why people hate nerds

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Got to love how this douche nozzle completely forgets that Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon fucking existed and what they were responsible for. (that's not even mentioning that fuckstick Henry Killmonger)

Oh yeah, there's no chance that Lucas could have been thinking of America as the evil empire back in 1975... 🙄😒

What a twat

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 138 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Don't make Star Wars political... Except the rebels want to restore a democracy in the Original Trilogy...

And in the prequels we have literal political scenes, as written and directed by Lucas himself.

[–] auntieclokwise@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And the Andor series is literally a class on fascism. Things presented there are inspired by real world events. The second season in particular makes it REALLY clear. You literally have the Empire conspiring with media to produce propaganda to undermine the Ghorman people so the Empire can come in and steal the planet's resources and kill the people. Then the Empire stages a massacre and uses it as further propaganda

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 23 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Except the rebels want to restore a democracy in the Original Trilogy.

Technically, it's never stated which form of government (if any) the rebellion wants to create after the empire is gone.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 75 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] scops@reddthat.com 50 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

I think some of these commenters who want to stop media being political are bots. The elites want to suppress free thinking and freedom of expression.

[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Wow. I had to go verify this and sure enough, I found a video from 7 years ago where Lucas said this and much more including comparing the American Empire to the Galactic Empire. Wow. I missed that reference as a child.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 days ago

Ewoks were definitely a nod to the Viet Cong

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Even if you missed that, you probably picked up that it is against war and imperialism.

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[–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

I think George Lucas has a tendency to make shit up as time goes on and gets high on his own supply.

That said, the prequels started with a literal trade embargo and there are several genocides in the series.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 3 days ago

Clearly it was a Star Special Military Operation, the emperor wouldn't just go around starting wars

[–] Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app 79 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

[whooosh but TIE fighter sounds]

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

All media is political.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

It also just boils down to “stop showing me how what I want is what the bad guys always want.” People on the right side of history love “political” things.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 29 points 3 days ago (5 children)

/r/selfAwareWolves or whatever the lemmy thing is

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[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Star Wars: From the adventures of Luke Skywalker which came out before the first movie. Literally describes Emperor Palpatine as Richard Nixon.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears.

sounds way too familiar 😭

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[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

I don't know if George Lucas was meaning to tap into parallelisms with the Vietnam War with the original Star Wars movie.

I mean, the plot follows the Campbellian "Hero with 1000 faces" storyline to a T.

But I also acknowledge that the Vietnam War was a major event that was going on when he was writing it and filming it, so it most likely had influence at the very least, but I believe it can be argued that Lucas was not attempting to insinuate the Empire was the United States at that time.

At the same time, though, I can see a very clear slant in the storyline that an independent society has every right to consider themselves heroes when going up against a larger, seemingly indomitable force that is doing evil while proclaiming themselves to be the good.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 114 points 3 days ago (13 children)

He did intend it to be a Vietnam allegory, with the Rebels as the Viet Cong. He was explicit about it, but for obvious reasons Disney doesn't make a huge deal out of that. But you're also right that the Campbell stuff was intentional, too.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

I stand corrected then!

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[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 days ago

He’s mentioned it in interviews, it was intentional.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

Almost understands. Everything is "political" especially anything claiming to be beyond "politics".

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