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The fact that an illegitimate state has an annual celebration parade in another county is fucked
Fuck Israel and fuck Zionists
this post was submitted on 23 May 2026
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i get that if a city has a significant diaspora population with a certain heritage, the diaspora celebrating their culture isn't a bad thing.
but that isn't the case with Zionism, there's lots of Jews in NY and they do celebrate their culture, but that's not the same as celebrations a genocidal nation.
They celebrste a foreign country involved in genocide and colonization. This has nothing to do with jewish culture.
100% agree. just wanted to say that diaspora celebrating their heritage is a normal and a good thing.
But Zionism isn't that. Especially considering that the Jewish communities in NY were built by the non Zionist jews who fled Europe, while the Zionists went to destroy Palestine.
Your comment is irelevant to the topic because this post is about israel parade day not judaism parade day. They can celebrate the culture in International Jewish Day on August 2nd
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The fact that an illegitimate state has an annual celebration parade in another county is fucked
Fuck Israel and fuck Zionists
was replying to that, Just saying that celebrating another country isn't necessarily bad, an outward claim like that can be racist. Zionism bad. but I'm afraid of statements that might be racist dogwhistles.
Celebrating a genocidal state is never s good thing. It is like celebrating Nazi germany. Like I said there is multiple real jewish culture events
I think we're accidentally stuck in a loop where we're both in agreement.
Fuck zionism in all of it's forms, it shouldn't get parades.
I just wanted to add a caveat that it is 100% ok to celebrate the cultural heritage of communities in your city. And "Israel" isn't one of those.
Because the original statement could be misconstrued into a xenophobic statement. I assume it wasn't, but still, that should be said.
And again, FUCK ZIONISM. Fuck it with a syphilitic cactus. Just got banned from a community for saying Fuck zionism in a more colorful language.
Personal, I'm dedicating so much of my energy fighting zionism, I'm literally building a local Bund revival, as well as weekly protests and help organize Palestinian events. So please, don't assume I'm a zionist.
Your caveat is off topic . This post is about celebraring israel not judaism. Yet you keep repeating the same off topic statement that have nothing to do neither with the post and neither with the person you replied to.
I never called you a zionist either
not really off topic, claims like people should celebrate foreign States can be iffy.
Polish are allowed to celebrate polish heritage, Thai communities are entitled to their events. Israel does not. not just because it's a genocidal state. but because it doesn't has a major diaspora.
Off topic because the article and the comment was about celebrating a foreign country and not about celebrating a culture or heritage. Current genocidal countries should not be celebrated. None of the country you mentioned are currently colonizing other and actively doing genocide .
I'm being extra paranoid, because sometimes racist reactionaries try to infiltrate antizionist spaces. I've seen it, and it's dangerous.
Nothing indicate that it was the case
Any claims about people celebrating their heritage is a bit sus. not outright wrong in this case. but sus
Well, notably, most of the Jewish population are not Israeli. There isn't a large diaspora of Israeli people in NY. As you said, it isn't a Jewish celebration. It has next to nothing to do with these people.
I did mention that a few times in that thread. I 100% agree with you.
I am mainly paranoid of reactionaries infiltrating anti-Zionist spaces and promoting genuine racism and antisemitism.
The original comment is OK, but could be sus as it sort of implies that celebrating foreign heritage is bad (they did say illegitimate and obviously meant Israel), but it could be a dog whistle.
I am paranoid and have seen Nazis try to sneak in places like these, they start with stuff similar to this. I AM NOT CALLING THAT COMMENTER A NAZI, OR AN INFILTRATOR. As that comment was valid, just that it warrants a few caveats and clarifications.
Yeah, honestly one of the most dangerous things Israel has done for Jewish people is their whole "criticism of Israel is antisemitic" nonsense. That's had the effect of making anyone critical of the zionist project appear very similar to actual antisemites. It isn't an issue we caused, but it is worth looking out for.
Well, notably, most of the Jewish population are not Israeli.
They are though. Most of them have dual citizenship.
Citation?
Wikipedia says there are 960,000 jews in NYC.
This says there are ~30,000 Israelis in New York State.
This has similar figures.
So, on the high end, ~3% of Jews in NYC are Israeli.
Your first source doesn't specify how they're defining "Israeli" and whether they're including those with dual citizenship.
Your second source says
By contrast, demographic compilations such as World Population Review list state-level counts of Israelis (for example, roughly 32,071 in New York state and about 30,566 in California), which suggest far smaller base numbers if one focuses strictly on Israeli-born residents recorded in U.S. data [4].
It does not account for people applying for Israeli citizenship after being born in the U.S. meaning 32,000 is a lower end and likely a smaller percentage of the entire population of dual citizenship holders.
You and I are reading that part you quoted very differently. I'm reading it to say that the actual Israel-born people are far lower, because this number includes others, presumably dual citizens.
Regardless, you have provided zero sources, and these are the closest I've seen, and the number is far lower than 50%.
I also wouldn't personally include a dual citizen who has never lived in Israel. They allow any person of Jewish descent to apply for dual citizenship. It hardly makes you Israeli if you've never lived there, no matter what the paperwork says. I could write a document that says I'm a Moon person, but that doesn't mean that I'm actually a person from the moon.
I also wouldn’t personally include a dual citizen who has never lived in Israel.
Statements like this make me think you're operating from an undisclosed bias. You wouldn't even blink if I called them "American". Your bias is especially suspicious when you close it with ridiculous statements like the following:
I could write a document that says I’m a Moon person, but that doesn’t mean that I’m actually a person from the moon.
We're not talking about moon people, and we're not talking about you. We're talking about two sovereign governments recognizing an individual as a citizen of that country.
Americans are currently being treated as second class citizens within our own country as numerous U.S. politicians prioritize the interests and needs of Israelis. Dual citizens to Israel are participants in this egregious behavior whether they like it or not.
Statements like this make me think you're operating from an undisclosed bias. You wouldn't even blink if I called them "American".
Because they live in America! If they've never lived in Israel, how are they Israeli? If you call someone a Russian who's never stepped foot in Russia and their family isn't from there then I'd call you crazy. Why does it change when it's Israel?
Americans are currently being treated as second class citizens within our own country as numerous U.S. politicians prioritize the interests and needs of Israelis.
Yes, and I'm not sure how that's relevant. If anything, it means we shouldn't just accept the idea these people are Israeli. It gives influence to Israel they don't deserve.
Because they live in America! If they’ve never lived in Israel, how are they Israeli?
Because they're a citizen of Israel.
It gives influence to Israel they don’t deserve.
... Israel has direct control over who is Israeli.
Again, you seem highly motivated to dismiss this without any apparent stake. What aren't you telling me about your biases here?
Again, you seem highly motivated to dismiss this without any apparent stake. What aren't you telling me about your biases here?
My bias is in reality, not politic. Politics influence reality, but they are not reality. Again, I can make a document that says I'm a citizen of wherever I want. Does that make it true? Even if that government agrees with it, does that make it real?
If they aren't part of the culture of that group (no, Israel culture does not equal judeism), how does it make sense to describe them as a member of that culture? If you actually immigrate to another country many of the people will never see you as fully a member of that culture, because you didn't grow up immersed in it.
You continously saying "you're biased" to not engage with what I'm saying is annoying. Everyone is biased. You're biased to think that any claim of citizenship to Israel makes them actually a part of Israeli society. If you accept every claim every government makes then sure, they're Israeli. If you think that they actually need to be a part of the culture, they aren't. Governments agree on stuff all the time that the people don't agree with. A government document doesn't create reality.
My bias is in reality
Try again. How does this affect you directly?
I think the Leahy laws state its unlawful for the US government to in any way condone of support any country committing genocide. The parade should be stopped.
Fuck Israhell
They have a permit for that?
... that powerful tradition faces an unprecedented challenge.
No, it doesn't.
Blow it out your ass, MSN. 💨
What a worthless attempt at journalism.
the link seems fucked?
Thanks for the heads up, updated
bro, it's anti-semitic to skip the israel day parade 😭