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Attorney, journalist, and Elon Musk biographer Seth Abramson eviscerated both Elon Musk and his “fanboys” who have attempted to use the billionaire’s IQ as an indication of his intellectual prowess in a series of messages shared on X Thursday evening and into Friday.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I’m pretty sure there’s no evidence that the soup between his ears qualifies as a human brain, but yet- here we are, allowing him and his term of incel lackeys full and unfettered access to all of America’s finances.

I always knew America would somehow end embarrassingly. I just had no idea it would be this shameful.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

And the Understatement of the Year award goes to…

Seriously, when I first heard of this guy, I thought he must be smart. Then he started talking about things in my career field, and thought wow, that’s a stupid thing to say. The more he talked, the more I realised he’s a moron about nearly everything. Now I’m not convinced he can actually get dressed unassisted.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, he is using his position to gain wealth and power. Im sure he didnt get there by being stupid. No, hes not some Tony Stark level engineer and his intellectual and engineering achievements are nothing of note. Hes really good at swindling people and getting a large proportion of the population to like him, that takes some talent.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Survivorship bias.

You don't hear about all the Elons who made a bad bet with the money from their dad's apartheid emerald mine, and ended up living meager multi-millionaire lives instead.

[–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

This. A million times this! For so many things in life. So many persons fail to get this. Entrepreneurs, billionaires, success-stories.

Succeeding doesn't mean you made the right decision with the information you had; it means you made the right decision now that we know the outcome.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not trying to be an ass, but do you have a link to that tweet?

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The ass is the one who posts screenshots of a website without linking to it. Especially if its a screenshot of text

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We don’t need to link to X.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We need to link to all sources. If the source is malicious, replace the dots with [.]

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No. We don’t. We don’t need to feed X.

Want to know the souce? Google “musk x ‘you have committed a crime’” and it’s the top return.

Not hard at all. Don’t feed that troll site.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -1 points 9 months ago

Again, you're not feeding it if you replace dots with a [.]

What you're doing is preventing misinformation

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

yes. and it doesn't matter. donald trump is a moron, but he's evil, and has failed upward to be president of the united states twice, first time a million americans died due to a purposefully inept covid response, this second time, he's going to beat that number by ordinates. everyone so fixated on how smart or accomplished these nazis are, it does not matter. This is a way for everyone to feel better that they're smarter, or know sooooo many people that are smarter. If we were smarter, they wouldn't keep fucking beating, and killing us. IQ means nothing, it's what you can leverage with what you have individually or within or at the forefront of a group that does. And these Nazi fucks know how to do that.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

If we were smarter, they wouldn’t keep fucking beating

Well, the problem is that there are a whole lot of stupid people that are easily convinced to vote for people like this, even if our side believes in putting smart, experienced, educated people into power.

So, even if we are smarter, we are outvoted by a lot of very stupid people (in some instances - in other instances, it's because of extreme gerrymandering and "gifts" like the Electoral College, so even if we get a majority of people to make the sane choice, we still end up losing ).

Lastly, the weasel apparatchiks on their side have found ways to peel off voters with things like Gaza and the fact that Democrats have not given them a pretty pony, too.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Elonis a highly productive con man. He fooled me when I bought the FSD option on my Tesla in 2019 for $8k. When I sold it, the market only was willing to pay $1500.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Congrats on getting out of the abusive relationship, but may I ask why you believed him in 2019 when it was clear he had been lying and promising FSD for nearly a decade at that point? Were you just not following the news all that closely and took his word at face value? Or was the promise, if it came true, just so tantalizing that you turned a blind eye to the turmoil surrounding Musk? Thanks in advance, I love learning about peoples’ thought processes after they have realized they made a mistake.

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Eh, I despise Musk and believe he is a grave threat.

But this "Musk isn't smart" narrative is a waste of time and underestimating Musk makes him more dangerous.

Tesla was a nothing burger company before he acquired it. SpaceX has been highly successful under his leadership. Musk may not have provided much technical knowledge, but he's accomplished too much for it to be random luck, and steering such companies, even if not on a daily basis, is going to require applied intellectual skill.

Edit: guys you can downvote all you want but underestimating Musk just weakens your position and aids him. You're not going to an Ivy League school with average or below intelligence.

You're also not starting and guiding various companies to high level success if you're dumb. Yes Musk has failed projects. Essentially every company and many if not most entrepreneurs have suffered failures.

Allegedly he also got a relatively high SAT score (1400) according to Isaacson, a respected biographer (I'd want to see hard proof however).

Musk's IQ is probably something like 125, not 160. But it's not going to be 90 or other like that.

But I guess you can go ahead and play into his hand and boost him by underestimating him.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Imma quote from the article.

Abramson noted, “It is also a particularly American disease to confuse wealth with intelligence and corporations with those who own them."

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

SpaceX was the leading private space company before he acquired it - it has actually lost ground to competitors since then but has an extremely passionate team behind it.

Tesla was the first company to seriously take a swing at automated response with an eye to FSD - they've since fallen far behind Waymo and other competitors.

When Musk worked at PayPal Thiel described him as a crazy risk taker and had him ousted as CEO while he was on two weeks of PTO for his honeymoon.

Musk is a huge fucking dumbass with enough money to fail horribly over and over.

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

you're not getting into UPENN being a complete idiot. Whoever started the company, Musk oversaw periods of the growth in SpaceX, Tesla, Paypal etc.

Musk is (edit: not) the smartest person in the world like he thinks he is. But it's nearly an objective fact that he's not stupid.

This is such a dumb hill to die on, and more importantly it benefits Musk.

edit: and as for failed programs, welcome to the world of business. Google, Amazon, Microsoft Apple, etc. constantly launch ideas that don't pan out. Are their leaders and engineers and everyone else dumb because a project failed?