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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 18 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

I once took an American friend out for a night in Manchester. His first night in the UK.

That dispelled a lot of the narrative of the quaintness of Europe.

There's this thing that Americans have. An old world ideal. Where they picture is all having two hour lunches and generally chilling about the place. It isn't real, just another dream sold to you by capitalism.

Sure, we do some things differently over here, public transport and the ability to walk places being two that I'm particularly fond of, but let's not rose tinted this.

The rise of fascism, or at least nationalism, is coupled with some awful working practices, mainly imported... And some of the levels of outright poverty, both urban and rural more than challenge that in the states.

This is just another reflection of the grass being greener.

You think Europeans are friendly? In my experience people are just people. The folk I've met in North America have been lovely, by and large and we have much, much more in common than this fairy tale suggests. But it swings both ways and we also have plenty of arseholes across Europe that would as soon as shank you as they would invite you for a chat and not ask you what you did.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That is kind of the thing. Americans earn extremely well. So when Americans move to southern Europe, they are either retired or have a great remote job. With cheap houses in the rural parts of those countries and access to public health care, you can actually have a pretty chill lifestyle.

That is to say: Capitalism is great for capitalists.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I do wonder how much this is about moving from urban spaces to rural spaces as opposed to geographic discrepencies.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It depends, but in poor cities like Sevilla the suburbs have some decent apartments or houses for basically a good(like less then $100k) annual US salary. Those will have light rail access, so living car free is still possible.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There’s this thing that Americans have. An old world ideal. Where they picture is all having two hour lunches and generally chilling about the place.

I'm pretty sure I saw stats saying that in EU people actually do work less than in US. For example in most EU states you get way more paid leave than in US.

they picture is all having two hour lunches and generally chilling about the place.

I'd say it's overselling it, but there's a grain of truth to that.

some of the levels of outright poverty, both urban and rural more than challenge that in the states.

It depends. In poland where I live there are pretty much no slum districts despite being less developed than US in general.

You think Europeans are friendly? In my experience people are just people.

From what I gather US has that culture of fake friendliness, while in EU people react just more honestly. It might not be that pronounced in UK that shares more culture with US than EU.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I think my main problem is with Americans talking about "Europe" as if it is a singular monolithic entity similar to the US (which we all know is far more nuanced and the difference between Texas and Maine is vast).

That over-simplifocation, over-generalisation is a strong narrative, but a really useless one.

Also, Poland! Wonderful. One of the most genuinely decent places I've visited.

As for the fake friendliness... It r really isn't something I've encountered with Americans, at least no more than in capital cities all over the world.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The UK is very different from southern Europe

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

And large parts of "Southern Europe" are radically different from each other.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Ok? But the UK is even more different

[–] TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

To be fair the UK is actually depressing

I'm from the Netherlands and don't think I'll ever go back if not in my own bubble on a holiday not interacting too much

Such misery I haven't seen elsewhere as what your people vocalize. And the aggression is off the charts. I have my hopes up for Ireland, haven't been yet. But england? Nah, seen enough.

Every hometown is "a shithole" when you ask about it, indoctrination is complete with even "soulful folk" proudly exclaiming the most dumb standpoints

And the ones that rise above that are just more affluent and turn a bit more quiet so as not to risk showing their own true colors. Hypocrites, behind the elbows we call that. Class consciousness. Not European at all in my opinion. I kind of hope nowadays you guys don't ever get to return, it's that bad.

I hope it gets better for you over there but where I live lunches can last 1,5 hours and work still gets done with a vengeance

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

Most British people have been slowly crushed by 45 years of neo liberal economics. Its sucked the vitality and investment out of every town and village as the country deindustrialized and turned into a hub for casino capitalism in London

I imagine the Brits were happier before Thatcher arrived.

[–] Furbag@pawb.social 2 points 1 hour ago

When I visited Ireland everybody embodied this post. Everyone walked everywhere, 99% of my interactions were genuinely pleasant and friendly, it was a weekday but people were out enjoying a long lunch on a sunny day in Dublin.

Can't recommend enough.

[–] FellowEnt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

I know a few UK people who moved to your country, all have pretty much vowed never to return to the UK. Every time I visit I wonder how you manage to do things so right (at least in comparison to the UK). The equivalent of UK council estates are a completely different vibe over there, the children seem so much happier and the work culture so much more chill.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The UK is not Europe, as I'm sure you know about the whole brexit thing.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

It's not in the EU but geography determines it is very much "in Europe".

Also, the dude literally cites Greece, who do you think bailed out of the EU first? Does that mean Greece isn't in Europe?

[–] GeriatricGambino@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

Also, the dude literally cites Greece, who do you think bailed out of the EU first? Does that mean Greece isn't in Europe?

Well not Greece because it's very much still a member of the EU. It even still uses the Euro as a currency. Of all its members, the UK is the only one that left.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

Greece didn't bail out of the EU. Its still a member. It tried to reassert its monetary sovereignty during the Eurozone crisis and was crushed by Germany and forced into vicious austerity.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

He cited an American visiting the UK as an example of an American learning about Europe. I simply disagree that you can learn much about Europe from visiting the UK.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Cool, disagree away. Doesn't change anything.

You said "the UK is not Europe" and I agree. Europe is massive and diverse.

Maybe that's what you meant.

[–] yopyop@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Come on, of course it is. It's not EU anymore but it's still in Europe.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 hour ago

They seem like quite the outlier then if you really insist on including them.

If its just a geographic thing you mean, then sure its in Europe.

[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

What you earn and what you do….never understand asking that when you meet someone. Canadians seem to do it too.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

North America was the industrial powerhouse of the world until quite recently, and it also happened to be completely organized around the need for settlers to buy up and captialize on property. It is a culture centered on adversarial productivity; there's a reason fascism has always boiled under the surface.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 hour ago

The vast majority of us spend 40 hours per week on that thing, it's a big part of our identity.

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 6 points 5 hours ago

Capitalism exhausts the earth and its people. I don´t think southern Europe is excluded.

[–] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago

I dont think i'd survive the American hustle life, where everything is a potentially sale and money is all your ever taught to create.

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