Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
1) Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
2) No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
3) Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
4) No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
5) No AI generated content.
Content posted must not be created by AI with the intent to mimic the style of existing images
Lay flat. Seriously, society is like two weeks to two months from collapsing at any moment. All anyone has to do is literally just not go to work for two weeks in mass. The power goes out, water stops running, and the grocery store goes empty. You share your resources with your neighbors. You don't even need to get out of bed to collapse the system.
literally
Probably not
two weeks in mass.
Bone apple tea!
I have heard many variations to this point but I would like to point out a counter example. The great depression in the US that lasted for a decade. The average income level for families fell by 40%. People regularly starved to death and even by WWII almost 50% of men were turned away from recruitment because they were malnourished.
Guess what? No revolution, no collapse just massive suffering.
Motherfuckers can't even stop buying cheap garbage from Amazon, but we're gonna expect that they can sacrifice their personal livelihoods and risk starvation? Yeah right.
The infrastructure kept on ticking for those that needed it. The ports kept on moving goods. The power generation kept on, the truckers kept on, society kept on. We're not talking about an actual collapse of society, more so a game of chicken with people who think they are in charge. The right people aka the ones who actually facilitate the basic functions of society just stay home a few days. That's enough to get the point across.
That is not really accurate for the great depression as the infrastructure definitely collapsed, but I get your point.
I think there is a profound disconnect here about the power of the people. That is my bigger point that humans will suffer through far far far worse than what we are dealing with now without any sort of pushback.
In some ways it feels like this is almost a mythology when you compare people protesting to getting what they want. The only times this seems to happen is when the wealthy and the common man's goals align and increasingly in our modern world this is dictated by the persuasive propaganda of corporations. Basically people are convinced to go along with what the wealthy want.
The burn is that the wealthy can and will ignore the people regardless of their desires. The most recent riots and protests in France about raising the retirement age are a great example of this. The people protested violently and in the end the age was raised as the wealthy dictated.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying we can't do anything. Simply put protesting isn't the power people think it is and civilization isn't going to revolt just because things get bad.
I took a deep breath before writing this. Just so you know. I understand what I'm getting myself into. Again.
But no. They're not.
This is conspiracy thinking dressed up as insight.
They're not spending hundreds of billions of dollars building AI data centers because they secretly want to create a "digital prison." They're building them because they expect them to generate hundreds of billions in future profits. It's an investment in compute infrastructure, not some grand surveillance plot.
If governments or corporations want to surveil people, they already have far cheaper and more effective ways of doing it than constructing massive AI clusters.
Posts like this don't inform anyone or encourage serious discussion. They just replace evidence with paranoia and drag the quality of the platform down.
That aside digital surveillance prison already exists. Google, Meta, Amazon etc. know enough about their users to build a complete day-by-day activity list with high accuracy. Phones listen constantly, Windows logs all you do on their servers, the dystopian tech is already there. Whet most dystopian predictions missed is that instead of endless rows of Secret Service officers watching you, it's the advertisers who want to milk your attention.
Dystopian police state will start when police starts offering money for reporting crimes. Then all this data will pour into their hands, neatly tagged, packaged and sold.
Was about to say this: It is already pretty much here and Edward Snowden showed that it was kinda already there 10 years ago, at least in some form.
Snowden was a naive intellectual who thought that if americans knew they are getting fucked they would do something about it.
I think he achieved a lot, and made a huge difference to many people. He can't change the whole world, but naking a personal sacrifice to bring abuse to light is a good thing.
What they are more likely building is regional processing centers. Meaning most people have a tablet, a laptop, and a phone. All with ram, silicone, memory, and resources that sit the majority of the time. The phone gets more usage. But what if those tools were access points to a larger computer that did the processing for you? What if meant instead of having a stronger chip on your phone you just had sufficient speed of transfer for a larger computer to do the processing?
That would reduce the production costs of everything. Be easier to manage the supply chain, require fewer rare earth minerals
AND they can control/monitor all of the throughput? Security against enemies.
In a perfect world this sounds fantastic, but it will most certainly be exploited.
You know... Because people.
Oh yeah, this will totally only be used altruisticly. No funny business.
Eh.
The purpose of the AI is the surveillance...
It's all one thing.
The cameras record plates, the towers log phones. Everything records browsing data.
All that goes to a data center to be saved indefinitely.
AI constantly tries to organize it into profiles indexed via search tags.
Then if they want to look at anyone, they have a complete file on everyone ready at an instant. If they don't have someone to look at, they ask AI for a list of everyone that was in the right places at the right times. Then the AI looks at the browsing history of everyone and any redflags there or anywhere else.
It's 100% how they got Luigi, and if it comes out during the trial that the same file already exists for everyone in America, citizen or not...
The whole house of cards crashes down, because even the racists will be able to figure out that means ICE could just deport all the criminals if they wanted to. And everyone left of the racists (including the people who don't give a fuck) will be pissed for the right reasons.
They got Luigi because a McDonald’s employee believed the bullshit about there being reward money for narcing.
No.
Altoona police responded to the 911 call placed by the McDonald’s manager, who said multiple customers told her a person in the back corner looked like the man wanted by New York authorities for assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
“They’re just really upset, and they’re, like, coming to me. And I was like, well, I can’t approach him, you know?,” the manager said.
During the 911 call, the dispatcher tried to get a description. The manager told her that because of how the man was dressed, it was hard to get a good look.
“Well, he has a beanie pulled down, so the only thing you can see is his eyebrows,” the manager told 911.
https://www.wtaj.com/news/local-news/911-call-released-in-luigi-mangione-arrest/
His bus stopped at a McDonald's and multiple "random" customers kept trying to get an employee to call, getting upset with them when they wouldn't but refusing to call themselves.
Even tho you couldn't see what he looked like.
That smells exactly like they knew he was on the bus, and needed a civilian to call in a tip to justify the huge response that magically showed up in the middle of nowhere in minutes.
The most likely explanation is all those super concerned citizens who didn't want the reward they were trying to get minimum wage workers to take were cops/feds.
That smells exactly like they knew he was on the bus, and needed a civilian to call in a tip to justify the huge response that magically showed up in the middle of nowhere in minutes.
Why wait for pretext if they wanted him? You're guessing he was already under surveillance. If "they" wanted him they would have grabbed him. There was a nationwide manhunt for him. "They" were desperate for any details. You're giving "them" too much credit. "They" clearly didn't have capability and capacity to find him without a rando calling in.
Why wait for pretext if they wanted him?
They wanted a pretext that wouldn't require them to expose their surveillance state apparatus in court.
You would be extremely foolish to continue to underestimate those who are in power. “They’re all just dumb and weak! They couldn’t find him!”
Read up on Parallel Construction like that other chatter suggested.
I remember 5-10 years ago looking at China and thinking this sounds too crazy to be true, no way they give their citizens negative points for walking a red light, no way you can't access the internet outside of China, no way you have to work 6 days 12 hours. Lately most of the times i thought 'no way ...' it was after reading news about the US.
Nah, they already have that
The NSA has had it for decades.
...but also, we all have IP addresses. Internet wouldn't work the same without them.
Nah, when the bubble collapses there are going to be all these large vacant climate controlled warehouses to use as for profit concentration camps.
the ones they managed to populate with computers will be used for surveillance, the ones that are sitting empty will be the prisons
You think the concentration camps are going to be climate controlled?
We'll get the bare minimum heat in the winter to keep us from freezing to death too fast before they can get 'enough' work out of us. And absolutely nothing in the summer, not even ventilation fans.
The world cup has been a huge boon to AI surveillance.
The World Cup does not create the surveillance state — but it has become one of the most efficient mechanisms for funding, deploying, legitimizing, and permanently embedding it across the globe, one tournament at a time.
why would they need AI to do this when theyve been doing this without AI for decades.
5 eyes. every phone has a camera. and mic.
the data they collected from spying on you requires a space to store and hardware to process them
These data centers provide them
What you said, and also, data are just much bigger now. And not just a little bit bigger - orders of magnitude bigger. It's not just that photo and video file sizes have increased.. the metadata, the data about the data, have also increased in size and quantity.
I sometimes wonder if people understand that the data centers get customers to fill the space in it. Like there's 40 customers in one data center. Randomly chosen number used for ease if explaining. Could be 10 or 100 different companies renting space for the services.
You're talking about a colo. Larger companies will have their own datacenters dedicated to their own services.
*Already built and expanding
I don’t want the internet any mores. I want underwebs!!
Well... take a guess which tool they're gonna use for total surveillance. 🌝
never atribute to malice what could adequetly be explained by stupidity
People see dollarmarks and forget everything else
The older I get, the less distinction I see between malice and stupidity. They always seem to come as a package deal, never one seen without the other.
Evil geniuses and idiots with a heart of gold are Hollywood fictions. In reality, the most evil, spite-driven people and the most moronic people are almost always the same people.
never [attribute] to malice what could [adequately] be explained by stupidity
People see dollarmarks and forget everything else.
So greed overcomes even Hanlon? I see there's a point there, but what if greed is just malice by a colder name? Malice at least is intentional and driven, but greed gets kinda indifferent as it trivializes the lives of others for our own financial gluttony.
Chilling.
No, they are probably just building data centers to replace any non-physical labor with AI. And hope to be able to do that in the future for physical labor with robots: To create a permanent underclass of unemployed people and the 1% living like gods.
Not really better but that's what it looks like to me.