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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158
I did some political stuff back in the day. We used to say "when people vote, democrats win." I don't need a win, I just need the fascist pedo kleptocratic octogenarian to lose.
Both sides are bad. One is markedly worse though.
Yes. Also, there is zero, ZERO path to anything better through the Republocan party.
There are plenty of ways to eventually get somewhere through the Dems. It may mean "suffing" alot of do nothing bull shit, but there are paths and ways.
The fun part is, that the Republicans didn't even start out as a Maga cult party. They got infiltrated. Not just by rich people, but by people from all sorts of backgrounds, joining or voting for support. Nothing is stopping the left from doing the same with the Democrats. But for that to happen, they'd need to stop with the constant purity tests...
Okay, but there's a difference between "both sides are bad" and valid criticism of the democratic party.
40 plus years of neo liberal policy, that yes have been embraced by 'both sides', has been destroying the nation and for some reason people don't want to admit it.
The "some reason" is because most educational text and all entertainment media are published by the same six corporations, all of whom are owned by billionaire parasites who profit greatly from that Neoliberal policy.
We need to show the Democrats that being conservative light is not good enough by making it have consequences in primaries.
The lesser of two evils trap demoralizes people and makes them think that this is the best we can hope for from a politician but it’s not, We’ve seen a rise of left-wing politicians lately and we can do better.
We must participate whenever possible and the choices aren’t always great but they do still matter.
So yes, Democrats actively doing less damage than the Republican counterpart, and no it isn’t good enough.
People deserve a world where hope can be a part of it.
Getting slapped and getting stabbed are both bad. But not equally bad.
Nevermind that we hold parties accountable and make them actually represent the people. If centrist/corporatist Democrats wanted to win, they should be listening to the people, and they refuse to do that. They are absolutely complicit in what's been happening over this past decade, even long before that.
It's far from the only way. They have the means to rig elections or cancel them altogether.
If you think voting is getting you out of this mess, you're in for a reality check.
This is a misunderstand. It's not about voting. It never was. It's about organizing.
Sure vote for harm reduction. Yes, it can slow things down a bit temporarily, but don't think it'll save your life. Both parties are genocidal fascists who will continue to escalate war and state violence. From a capitalist standpoint, fascism is correct and necessary. Profits have fallen too low, democracy is no longer profitable, no matter which party is in charge. The billionaires need living standards to drop much lower. But in a democracy, people would not be willing to accept that, so they need to be disciplined violently.
Democrats, just like Republicans will come for your loved ones, arrest communists, continue imperialist wars and genocide, shut down strikes and unions, militarize the police. Simply because Democrats are capitalist and within capitalism, fascism is the next logical step. Not for ideological reasons, but because of real material economic facts. The facts demand fascism. Democrats will adapt or cease to be Democrats.
When Nazi fascism was defeated in Europe, it wasn't by voting for the lesser fascists. The only way to save democracy is to organize real resistance, that's able to enforce demands.
If you have limited capacity to contribute and organize, don't waste your time campaigning for the Democrats. Vote for them, if it makes sense in your state, but that's just one day. If you have any energy to spare the rest of the year: talk to your neighbors and coworkers about real solutions. For example general strikes and anti-fascist community self defense. Learn communist theory, start a reading group. Join a Marxist org.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Fyi... vote in fing primaries, that is the only way to fix the kinda bad side.
Well that's just nonsense. Any criticism of the democratic party, a famously spineless and dismissive organization, is a psyop?
A party that has collaborated with the Republicans the whole way? Going so far as to make ICE one of the best funded militaries in the world?
i take every opportunity to shit on, mock, ridicule, insult, verbally abuse bothsidesbad dipshits everywhere they show their stupid fucking faces
whatever happened to all the "vOtE 3rD pArTy BeCuZ gEnOcIdE" fucking morons? actually j/k i don't miss them at all. how's that iran war going? we sure helped palestine by throwing away our vote, huh? fucking idiot clowns
Why do people keep purposely misrepresenting the criticism people had for Harris? Like, I know, it was hard at the time to listen to people warning about her potential to lose. But, we have the advantage of hindsight now. Do we have to pretend the main criticism of Harris was that Trump would be better? No one that wasn't a grifter was saying that.
The vast vast majority of people criticizing Harris were doing so because they correctly warned people that if she did not separate herself from Biden and run FOR something turnout would be low and she would lose.
Do you know what a leader does? They LEAD and guide others in the correct direction. We are there NOW. The people that vote for the Democratic party are ALWAYS significantly ahead of there leaders on the actual issues. They were begging for a leader that would actually step forward and be unafraid and unapologetic in leading on issues and policy.
We don't have to wonder. We are literally seeing it growing RIGHT NOW. From Mamdani to Abdul (soon) we are seeing anti Israel and leftwing populism wipe the floor with Harris style Democrats.
A 15 term incumbent losing DEMOCRATIC primaries to a 29 year old that was saying "fuck Kamala Harris" for not taking a stand against Israel. The people you are crying about that "lost Kamala the election". They are the people literally going out and organizing right now because they are sick and tired of having to explain why the Democratic party keeps losing to Trump and being told "you're the reason Harris lost."
We're done with just explaining it. We're done being used as a scapegoat for the failures of the Democratic party when we offer constructive criticism. We're forcing these politicians out of office that refuse to actually lead.
I don't know a single person I organize with in DSA that didn't go vote for Harris. We aren't the ones that didn't show up. The ones that didn't show up were the people that didn't even know who the presidential candidates were a week before the election. And a lot of them didn't have reason enough to take off work, not be able to pick their kid up from daycare on time, or didn't want to get stuck in traffic, so they decided to not vote that day.
So, please, stop pretending the people actually organizing for good candidates like Mamdani were the people that didn't show up. And, please, come join us at DSA and help us elect people that actually have the motivation and knowledge to be leaders.
Edit: And for the love of God, please stop confusing the majority of the socialist movement with Anarkiddies and the socialist that like to LARP as Maoist third worldist online. We don't like them much either. They are kinda stinky and need to shower. But, they aren't worth even caring about. They don't have any negative effects outside your twitter feed.
Which side thinks that food, medicine, and shelter are a human right and not just access to them is a right? I'll always vote for that side.
I'm convinced the call is coming from the inside. Hillary was the most qualified person to ever run for President, but the least electable. She has the charisma of a rattlesnake. Kamala - C'mon people - electing a half-black guy was what made every Southern blue state flip red. I don't like it, but facts are facts. Could we have a white guy in a suit for a little while until we recover a little bit of our country? Preferably someone under 70.
Posts about blaming a minuscule minority of voters are specifically designed to encourage people to not look for the causes of rising fascism.
Keeping people distracted and attacking their socialists allies is the only way Democrats can continue to move further to the right and join Trump's new "War on the Extreme Left".
If you don't see the connection, you have a problem.
Orban lost because everyone went out and voted for the other party. If you watch interviews of voters, a lot of them said they don't agree on everything with who they are voting for, but it must be done to progress away from the Orban era.
Democracy is a slow process, and sometimes, voting for the lesser of two evils is the only choice you have. It opens the door for better candidates in the next elections to come.
Or, you know.. you can do an armed revolution. But lately, they don't bring the change everyone hopes for.
Multiple things can be true. Both sides are bad, but that's why the concept of voting for the lesser evil is a thing.
Everybody sucks. But you should still vote.
Both sides are bad, but both sides are not the same. One shows time and time again they are scared of their voters and will change course with enough pressure. The other one only puts pressure on us under the heel of a boot.
Yes, both suck, but we are not getting anywhere with this stupid flip flop between two awful options. You take the less bad one, then work really fucking hard to get better people to replace them. Don’t keep falling for this one weird trick bullshit, where one cultish figure that claims to solve it all will get the nod in an effort to “try something different”.
Third parties are useless, unless we can get ranked choice. Until then, we play the fucking game, not keep flipping the board every few years.
George Carlin put this idea to rest a very long time ago. If you truly believe that Democrats are somehow fundamentally different from Republicans you have lost the plot.
I vote so I can cancel out a maga vote