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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago

I'm not sure what kind of "gotcha" this is supposed to be. Is "J" suggesting that we only hate him because he's a Republican, independent of his actual character and actions, and that we'd change our minds about him if he switched his party affiliation but kept doing the same stuff? Or is he trying to suggest that we hate him, specifically, for some "unknown" reason, and would continue to hate him even if he changed his platform and started doing Democrat things?

I mean, no matter his party or actions, he's still in the Epstein Files, so I'd say he isn't worthy of elected office and should be in jail even if he were to switch his party.

If he weren't a pedophile, he's still a racist, so no, I'm still orange-man-bad.

If he weren't a pedophile or a racist, he's still a remarkably stupid and vain person. Still not voting for him, regardless of party.

If he weren't a pedophile or a racist or dumb or vain, his policies have still killed and will continue to kill millions of people, so yeah, still despise him even if he were a Democrat.

Skipping ahead a bit:

If he weren't a pedophile or a racist or dumb or vain, and hadn't pushed murderous policies and wasn't a fascist, and hadn't attempted to tear down democracy, and hadn't harmed our international standing, and wasn't destroying the global economy, and wasn't enriching himself at the expense of the American taxpayer, and hadn't destroyed any semblance of social safety net we ever had, and wasn't a warhawk and hadn't built a private army out of the worst people from high school, and didn't have a complete disregard for truth and reality, and hadn't hollowed out reasonable discourse in our country, and wasn't the figurehead being puppeted by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon and Mitch McConnell, and hadn't delivered the Supreme Court gift-wrapped into the hands of conservative activists, and never threatened the free press, and never wasted American money on vanity projects, and hadn't tried to distract from all of that with moldy bread and terrible circuses...

...then, yeah, I guess I might stop thinking of him as the worst American who ever held any elected office. But at that point...would he still be Donald Trump?

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

A demonstration of two things to remember.

One: Conservatives are tribal. They value in-group membership more than almost anything else.

Two: They think everyone is like them. They are not good at empathy.

They are bad people.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 0 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

I know a lot of liberals that fit the first definition. The only real difference being they enjoy symbolic empathy.

The people I see living in my neighborhood with the "all are welcome here" pride + blm flags in their yard; the same people that show up at our town hall meetings fighting public transit, affordable housing, housing for the homeless.

They spend a lot of their energy having to explain why "maintaining the character and culture" of their neighborhood is all they want. Sometimes I prefer the rascist I grew up with in the south. You don't have to spend 30 minutes to realize their garbage people. They at least tell you straight up.

There aren't any liberals that would like Trump if he was a Democrat. Because he doesn't do the symbolic empathy. That's why they loved Obama so much. They used him like a BLM flag in their yard.

Don't believe me? Go to a city hall meeting in your "Liberal" city for a couple weeks.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

It does not matter what ideology he claims to represent. He's a criminal degenerate, and that's the only ideology he represents.

[–] avg@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I disliked him before I was political or knew his political affiliation, everything since then has only served to reaffirm my previous conclusion. Also the person asking has no idea how much we hate the representatives we have to vote for so the literal Satan they voted for in their primary doesn't win the election.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

He has dipped his dick in multiple parties before he found the one degenerate enough to tolerate him. He was a Democrat for a while, then an independent, but those didn’t work for him because they had scruples.

Some people don’t know, but he ran for president under those parties and lost miserably.

[–] MrSelfDestruct@piefed.zip 13 points 2 hours ago

A turd will always be a turd.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

he wasn't a democrat. he isn't a republican. he doesn't have an ideology. he doesn't really care about managing public affairs.

he is in it for money (and narcissistic revenge against obama for laughing at him). he will happily shout right or left talking points as long as he believes they will get him 51% of votes in the end.

[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If he was a Democrat, I wouldn't be

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Soooooooo.......you'd be republican?

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There are many more choices.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The only choices I see are:

Vote Democrat.

Vote Repupublican.

Vote 3rd party and throw your vote away.

Don't vote.

They already ruled out voting democrat. By voting 3rd party or not voting, you throw your vote away.

That leaves vote Republican. What other choices am I missing?

[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

If trump was the best option I'd be hopping the border out of this (even shittier) hell hole

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 48 minutes ago)

That’s how you vote, not what you are. I was talking about what you are.

I’m a socialist, but I vote democrat because I understand how this works.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I'll be honest, if he did good things for the small folk I'd despise him less. If he would do a lot of those things and not the mysoginst and distriminative and racist stuff, maybe i'd not dispose him at all anymore. If he, for example would acknowledge the ICJ or would end the Israeli genocide, I might really despise him less. Not saying i'll end up liking him, but I'd give the man new chances if he'd show he can change his ways - sure.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Telling on themselves as per usual.

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I'd be way angrier at him. I have such little expectations from the right.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

I’d despise this sack of festering paedophilia if he was a socialist. He’d give socialism a bad name.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I knew he wasn't to be trusted ever since he tried to convince the country to eat their pizza crust first.

Everything with this guy is backwards.