this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2026
352 points (95.8% liked)

Technology

87897 readers
4298 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
 

But you'll need a powerful system with 64GB of RAM to use it.

Microslop thinks that "Clutter free" means "bundled with an always on LLM" 😸

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Microslop must be getting tired of all the winning.

/s, obviously

[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The goal, really, is to cut the crud out of Windows to create a more Linux-like experience.

LOL. I'll just keep using Linux, thank you very much. Great article though:

[…] demanding 64GB of RAM in the age of the RAMaggedon seems inexcusable. (Especially because Microsoft's partnership with OpenAI and its overall AI push is a big reason memory prices have skyrocketed.)

[–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

Bitch, l'm running an up-to-date distro on my 8GB netbook!

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago

Plenty of memory addresses to go around with 64gb of RAM. Take your pick.

[–] anewfox@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Dma<Elephant>

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 63 points 1 day ago
[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

64GB of RAM to use it.

Does that mean it does not run on my beloved Thinkpad X220 with 4GB?

Looks like I am stuck with running Debian 13 on it.

Fun fact, at $currentwork there are two true believers in AI and somehow they managed to procure me a laptop for home office which weights in roughly 9 kilograms - a bit more than six times as heavy as my 12 year old X220. Must be the battery which is needed to power the NVidia graphics card.

[–] usernameofthisaccount@piefed.social 194 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The best part about Microsoft is removing it from a computer so you can watch Linux being installed.

[–] axh@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Don't be so mean. You can do many useful things on windows. Like for example selecting Linux distro, downloading it and saving on an USB.

[–] lawks@aussie.zone 3 points 8 hours ago

And you can use its image creation tool to write a Windows installer .iso to a thumbdrive, for others who absolutely have to have it!

Fucked if I can work out why downloading the Windows .iso in Linux and writing it to USB has not once resulted in a bootable medium for me, despite literally every non-MS .iso working perfectly with the same tools.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Don't be so mean? Sometimes I use Edge to download a different browser then uninstall Windows.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Like for example selecting Linux distro, downloading it and saving on an USB.

Using an USB thing is the somewhat decadent newfangled way to do things. The more classy way was to download the whole distro to an 1.44 MB floppy drive. \installation was by dd .... of=/dev/fd0. Yeah, it required 16 megabytes of RAM. It was possible to boot it on an 386 PC. Though kernel compiles were a bit lengthy.

[–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why not just PXE boot it over the token ring network?

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 9 hours ago

Didn't have a network card.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gotta test it out after the upgrade to 10Mb/s Ethernet!

[–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Whoah! Did you build the new kernel for it? This UDP stuff is crazy.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 5 points 23 hours ago

I hope everyone uses this new UDP thing!

[–] joyjoy@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

That's more fun on Linux though.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 159 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The goal, really, is to cut the crud out of Windows to create a more Linux-like experience.

but

for powerful developer hardware with 64GB of RAM and gobs of memory bandwidth.

????

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 88 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If their idea of distraction-free requires 64GB of RAM, they're pretty lost as a company.

[–] Toes@ani.social 37 points 1 day ago

640K ought to be enough for anyone

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Why do developers need 64GB+ RAM on their computers? Maybe I’m biased as a Ruby on Rails web application developer but I’m happily squeaking by on just 8GB RAM. Maybe they’re developing with the memory-hungry VS Code?

I thought it was the gamers who needed tons of RAM.

[–] dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

8 GB woyldn't be nearly enough to run a large enterprise server while also running all my other apps in the background. At work I use a MacBook with 48 GB of RAM and the memory pressure regularly goes into yellow.

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Visual Studio, VS Code, WSL2, docker containers, SQL Server + SSMS, MS Teams, ...

Usually all at the same time. Not everyone is doing just web dev.

load more comments (14 replies)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago

Sometimes you use big datasets. I needed 64GB (well, I only needed more than 32 to be fair, but 5-6 years ago it wasn't that expensive) to figure out a bug in data going over 32bits number of indices on a gpu.

But usually 32GB has been largely enough for most stuff, I even only have 16 on my laptop but I don't do large stuff any more.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 3 points 21 hours ago

They probably try to keep the normal users out, so that their ~~spy-ware infested~~ normal version is still the default for most of the users.

Either that or they didn't remove the crud but replaced it with AI crud that needs the RAM.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You need 64 GB or RAM to use it? Seems like it's just a marketing gimmick to find dumb developers who can afford 64GB of RAM in the first place. Kind of like that "I am Rich" app....

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago

it's 64gb so you can run local ai models to 're-clutter' your windows experience.

[–] hdsrob@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some of us bought our 64gb of ram when it was cheap.

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I have 128gb. I didn't need 128gb but it was a good deal and thought fuck it, i spent too much into AM4 anyway might as well go all in and not bother with AM5 for another four years if ever.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 9 hours ago

I almost did the same but settled on 64GB :`(

[–] hdsrob@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I rarely manage to time anything correctly for market fluctuations, but for once I hit it right on the head when I built this machine last summer.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] lemmysmash@piefed.social 57 points 1 day ago

You believed Microslop once, that's on them. You believed Microslop twice, that's on you.

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s called zenith because it only gets worse from here

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Clearly, the focus is on local AI development β€” a timely move as cloud AI token costs start to rise.

This is called burying the lede.

If Microsoft knows this cloud-based AI thing is a bust and people will be moving to local models that are not controlled by Microsoft or OpenAI or Anthropic, then it's only a few months before Satya tells his investors buddies and the bubble pops.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] db2@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this their follow up to the wildly successful Project Test Everything In Production?

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

They never stopped that one, actually

I’m sure the event viewer, resource monitor, etc will support hidpi with this right and it’s not just gonna be another Ui layer painted on top of all the old ones like a shitty apartment where you can cut the wall and count the layers of paint

[–] artyom@piefed.social 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Zero details about what clutter they're going to remove...

E: Reading the original Windows release does not mention anything at all about decluttering. They do call it "distraction-free" at one point, but no elaboration on what that means...

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 day ago

Given the memory requirement, my guess is that they're not removing anything, just hiding it. And adding more useless crap on top.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago
[–] orenj@leminal.space 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Quantumantics@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

rofl, even.

load more comments
view more: next β€Ί