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A couple weeks ago, I saw a cool video on YouTube. Hugh Howey, the guy who wrote the Silo books (and is executive producer on the Apple TV adaptation) had made a writing application for writers, and everything about it looked awesome, especially the price tag. Not only was it free, but it was open source as well. I installed it, and I shared it to a writing comm.

I expected to get at least one thanks for spreading the good word, but instead people told me I was posting AI slop. I had no idea! It IS open source, but I didn't think to look on GitHub. So, sure enough, I took a look, and the authors were hughhowey, and Claude, Anthropoic's AI chat bot.

I asked Howey for a comment on it on the YouTube video, and he actually gave me a pretty good answer. He said he made the tool he wanted to use to write books, and he figured he'd share it. Also, he said he had been looking for the perfect tool, what he wanted, and he felt it didn't exist. He also implied he was trying to pay people to write his program, but no one would (at least, at what he was offering). I thought, that's fair. He made it for his personal use, and he released it for free, and posted the code so that anyone can see it.

I decided against using the program because I don't want anyone to be able to say that AI helped me write. Although I will say, to the app's credit, as a Mac user here, anything I write in (current choice is Ellipsus, a privacy and anti-AI focused web-based writing tool; freemium; but also iWork Pages, LibreOffice Writer, TextExit (Mac's version of Notepad), whatever — Apple "Intelligence" is going to suggest stuff as I write. Happens in Firefox, too; and Safari. Howey's tool is able to mute that. It also disables the system spell check. Basically he makes it so you can just write, without your OS looking over your shoulder. (There's a toggle to turn this on and off, for editing.) His reasoning is that if you have a character or town that isn't in the dictionary, you shouldn't be pestered by red squiggly lines.

This isn't the first time I've been fooled by vibe-coded AI slop. About a year ago, or so, I downloaded a cool iPhone app where I could enter in something that happened frequently (or infrequently), and log every time it happens. Some call these habit trackers, but I don't use them to motivate me to keep the habit; I use them to look back. Like when I finished a book, or a movie, or a game. Or when I went to a restaurant, or visited another city or something like that. Also some health/home stuff. So I can show my wife the receipts, as it were.

The app was lacking a few features I wanted (like Dark Mode!), so I wrote the author... after paying $5 for his app. He wrote back and said he didn't know anything about coding, he was out of AI tokens, and he wasn't going to pay more until more people bought his app. Like any reasonable person, he was trying to come out ahead, and apparently he wasn't there (or ahead "enough"). Again I made the decision to drop the app, and I found another one that does the same stuff but better.

The first case, it's kind of on me because it's not that hard to look at a GitHub and see Claude as a contributor. With iOS apps, AFAIK you can't do that. With Android apps, I'm pretty sure you can open an APK in a zip program and look at the Java code. (I'm not a programmer but I know a thing or two.) But back when I was big into modding Android phones, I heard they were going to start encrypting APKs so people couldn't just steal the code or whatever. I do not know if that ever came to pass. I never learned anything from unpacking an APK anyway.

Is there another way to tell?

Maybe there should be a repository for AI-generated/vibe-coded apps, but it would be like playing whack-a-mole and it would be hard to keep up or maintain it. I suppose it would be possible to ask an AI chatbot if it can detect AI involvement, but that kind of defeats the purpose.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Got a report on this one that it might be veiled advertisement for Howey's app. I don't think that's the case, and I tend to want pretty solid evidence of something before taking actions. So, yeah. I don't think any mod action is warranted in this case. Just wanted to offer a little transparency on this.

[–] Lyricism6055@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The dude used AI to write this I feel like too... Just getting that vibe

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, thanks. I didn't name it in the OP (or at least, I tried to avoid doing so); however, I did name it in a reply.

I'm a fan of the show and I read the books, but I haven't read anything else by him. The only exchange we ever had was when I questioned his use of AI.

His app is free. I gain nothing by promoting it. Also, I don't even use it. I used it for a couple days, until it was brought to my attention that it was made with Claude. Then I uninstalled it.

You can offer a little transparency. I will offer complete transparency. (Not disparaging you, just having some fun with words.) I have nothing to hide here.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, no worries. I think the report was mostly baseless. I think I'm glad that the report was made just so that the mods here could make a determination, so I don't think the reporter was wrong to report in the first place, but neither do I think you were.

[–] foofighter@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Some more subtle tells I've noticed from Github repositories is if all files were added on the same date (especially when there's no further revisions) and if the version number starts at 1.0 or 1.0.0. With real open source development they tend to work through revisions of alpha and eventually beta builds, and some will skip "1.0" releases entirely maybe due to influence from the Linux kernel's versioning being whatever Linus feels like. Hope this helps in any way :)

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

If you still have a Microsoft/GitHub account for some reason, you could block the user "@claude". Whenever you go to a GitHub page, it will display a banner saying that Claude contributed. BUT you cannot block @copilot (intentionally), the "show" button doesn't actually work for "assisted" changes AND the banner will still be there if the change was reverted. So it's only really a little clue.

Anyways, you are gonna love GNU nano, lol. It's a text editor. It edits text. Spell checking isn't even an option. You press a key combo (which I successfully forgot and am shy to admit) to turn on/off text wrapping. There are a lot of other features if you take time to find them, but you are safe to completely ignore them.

Honorable mentions

  • mg - also just a text editor, slightly different keybinds modeled after users of a different text editor who now regret using it. Unfortunately doesn't speak Unicode.
  • micro - imagine nano but with Windows style keybinds and a few dozen color schemes. You can copy paste not just within the editor but also within the OS, if you fuck with the settings a bit. Note that if you decide to open (what it decides is) code with it and it has very long lines, it's gonna spin CPU trying to add pretty colors to it even after you exit, it's an old bug.
  • If you install "plan9 from userspace" or one of the few dozen variants, it's gonna come with a few graphical text editors. Very specific text editors that make extensive use of a 3 button mouse and single letter keybinds/commands. Light mode only, but it's the less evil light mode. Some people around Lemmy who aren't as dumb as me and actually learned one claim they are really good.
[–] chrisashtear@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Github only shows stuff like claude if you give the bot access to your github repo with write priveleges. Which is insane, but it is definitely a clue that the owner of the repo isnt writing much of his software.

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure (source: trust me bro) that LLMs trapped in desktop applications will attribute themselves to patches manually. It may be in a random PR or email patch. Oh, and someone could have given Claude write privileges to a fork.

Look up "git-blame-someone-else".

[–] chrisashtear@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Right thats a good point.i havent used any ai desktop apps so i havent seen that behavior. I use opencode cli and have used claude cli for work and it hasnt done that

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 1 points 17 hours ago

I'm not certain whether I can / should answer because I want to say I've never actually encountered a vibe coded app, but I have to acknowledge the possibility that perhaps I have and simply not noticed it.

If I'm looking at a github repo, I really only look at the number of stars and when the most recent comment was.

However, over the last year or so I've come to appreciate alternativeto.net. It's privately owned and advertising funded. However, when looking at whatever thing, checking where it fits among other similar software is really, really helpful.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

usually the logo is ai, the description is ai, and the creator has like five hundred other apps.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 11 points 1 day ago

And it was created 2+ months ago and has had like 1,000 commits all by one person early on but none of the commits are recent.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That wouldn't help me here — AFAIK, it's his only app. In the case of the writing app anyway.

Quantity is absolutely the tell with YouTube slop channels. You're really making a whole new song every day? Obvious slop. But in that case, trying to find it on Apple Music is a good tell. Spotify allows it. I thought AM did too but a lot of AI slop channels don't deal with AM for whatever reason.

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 17 hours ago

I've once seen something interesting happen. A tracker song from the literal 90s (specifically "aryx.s3m") gets reuploaded on a bunch of music platforms (including Apple Music) every year or two to reset the release date and take over the Shazam signature. People who point Shazam at a video that used the song now get the reupload (with an AI cover) instead. The song there is called "Digital Delight" (or was that the publisher? I don't remember). They then once uploaded "song name: 2" and it was an obvious early AI remix.

I should have read the other comments before posting. Yeah, it's this

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

His reasoning is that if you have a character or town that isn’t in the dictionary, you shouldn’t be pestered by red squiggly lines.

His reasoning is kinda wonky. Adding custom words to autocorrect makes it more likely that I spell new words consistently because they don't have red squiggly lines after I add them.

example of adding a new word to the spellcheck so you don't have to see red squiggly lines anymore

Ah yes, Dwigt.

(In the American The Office, the boss, Michael Scott, writes a screenplay called Threat Level Midnight and has his employees read the script. There's a doofus, I forget his name, but his name is given as "Dwigt" at one point, and the assigned employee, Dwight, quickly realises that the character was originally called Dwight, and Scott simply find-and-replaced every "Dwight" to the name of the doofus character, but at one point he made a typo, and so that was not caught.)

But yes, that's what I was thinking as well. "I'll just add it to the dictionary."

[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 10 points 1 day ago

Hey that's the town I used to live in before I was concieved!

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

F-Droid (the FOSS software repo for Android) has been getting more and more AI slop too. Just yesterday, I was looking for a SSH/terminal app, and top/recent results have Claude as author.

Sometimes difficult to tell, but what I notice:

  • Sloppy description with emoji-lists
  • New app with huge amount of functionality
  • Very frequent updates with meaningless descriptions
  • Individual elements look well made, but everything does not seem to fit together or make sense.
  • Pretty icon (marginal, yet...)

Edit:

  • A long, overdesigned page about the app that has features that can be described in a paragraph
  • Blatantly asking for money (not a humble "donate" on developer's page, a link in app description)
[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago

Also commits with more than a thousand changes, and a tree-style list of the files in the README (absolutely useless but AIs love it).

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

regarding terminal/ssh on android.. isn't termux the best?

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's what I went with after all :)

[–] BiscuityCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey, I was looking for SSH client/terminal app the other day as well, but I still haven't decided what to go with. Is termux really the best? Isn't it cumbersome to use on a mobile device?

I have found other apps (Conduit, Haven Terminal) that may be better, but I don't really trust them on the first glance. They are too new and could have been made with AI. Not sure if anyone knows anything about them.

[–] story@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

you won't regret termux

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Eh, all of them are cumbersome. Termux is an entire (sub)system, not just the SSH client, so it lets you do other neat things.

Conduit seems okay (no immediate signs) and borrows from Termux, but has a long AI-looking page dedicated to it...

And Haven straight up says

Qwen3.8-Flash running locally writes most of the actual code; the maintainer's role is closer to that of a messenger between the user group and the model: listening, setting the agenda, and quality-checking

So yeah.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I recommend ConnectBot for SSH.

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

AGENTS.md and Claude as contributors

TBH I know ConnectBot predates it, and I did not look further into it, but it's still sketchy to have it in an app that I expect to handle secure connections.

[–] starblursd@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The biggest tell for me is when the code makes ridiculous use of commented code. AI loves to comment out everything that it does

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I knew a junior who did not speak English yet his comments were at the same level as Shakespeare. I told him "We need to talk..."

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 2 points 17 hours ago

Almost. Every time "he" wrote a comment, it was 5 lines of the most perfect English that I have ever laid my eyes upon.

I like comments, but not fake bullshit.

[–] crandall@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I use this https://slopscore.ava.pet/

With this browser extension https://codeberg.org/ashkitten/slopscan-webext

As a starting point

[–] Ashrakal@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

The person behind the wheel is more important than whether it was made with the assistance of AI. An actual IT specialist knows what needs additional testing and polishing, so the software will be as functional as average human-written one. (With the exception of IT geniuses like Torvalds or Davis, because most software developers aren’t anywhere near their capabilities to invent.)

You can encounter organic-written software full of bugs, and then sold for actual money. Bonus points if it’s still 32-bit, or even 16-bit and works only on Windows. (Take a stroll on CrossOver forums, you’ll find many still use such archaic software as part of their daily life.)

Let’s be reasonable and not replace an extremism (AI fanatics) with another extremism (anti-AI fanatics). It’s often the case one can find unnecessary hate on both sides of these self-imposed blockades.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Many LLM-generated projects are new and only a few months old. I would avoid such projects (regardless whether they declare ai usage or not). Most die quickly and end up unsupported.

For older and larger projects, the cadence and size of submissions should give a valuable hint. For any project that is larger than, say, 10,000 lines of code, a contributor will rarely submit more than 100 new lines of code per day, and very rarely more than 1,000 lines of changed code. Anything exceeding that is a strong hint that primarily LLMs are used.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As an aside, NovelWriter is a great FLOSS writing app. It's very much like Scrivener, but it uses Markdown instead of being a rich WYSIWYG editor.

It looks a bit busy... also, I never really jived with markdown. I totally should, it would open some doors and it's not like a programming language.

Also, Mac user. It's funny how the developer says in the about page that they were tired of Windows and Mac software excluding Linux, so now his app supports Windows and Linux and excludes Mac. I get it, but, as a Mac user, I can only be so interested in what it looks like. Plus, I think the Linux app style (I forget what it's called) is kinda ugly. Qt? Tk? GTK? One of those. Nit picky though — the app actually looks pretty decent. Something like that, or like the AI app I found, runs on Mac, runs on iPhone, syncs via iCloud... so what I'm currently using is web-based, runs on anything. If I hooked a keyboard up to my Xbox, I could probably run it in Edge (barf). (Actually might try that. Let my wife come home and see me writing my story on the Xbox, with a perfectly good MacBook Air between me and the Xbox.)

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A simple function that has clear problems.

I saw an application form online where you couldnt select your country (for your phone number.) But only on the desktop version! On the mobil version it worked! Another one that cleared all inputs when pressing "shift+Q".

That sorta happened with the iPhone app I tried. But rather than being broken, it was when the guy told me he couldn't do dark mode. I would think that would be a basic feature? When Apple enabled Dark Mode, it was dark mode all the things all at once. When Android did it... let's just say the phrase "Google rolls out dark mode slower than old people fuck" has always been near and dear to my heart. Or it's a banking app. Many of them won't go dark either.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Random markdown files and comment blocks all over the place.

I've been in the professional software space for 35 years and one of the hard rules is documentation and code must be kept separate. Each has it's own place, goals and infrastructure. Often people have access to documentation, even technical in depth documentation, that should not have access to the code. Documentation is often translated in larger multi-national teams and used for all sorts of non-code related tasks throughout the organisation. AI is trained on a lot of tutorials where it's normal to have huge blocks of documentation in the code and kept as markdown files in a project. It's mostly meant to be descriptive to others and as an example, a convenient way of keeping everything together for people to learn from.

Now with AI slop coding you see this pattern being applied to all coding with huge amounts of comments, entire blocks of documentation and markdown files in the code. Where this, at least in my experience, wasn't the case in professional environments in the past. Sure a comment here and there to set people on the right path, but the inclination to write comments is often treated as code smell.

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

See I tend to over comment as a hobbiest that writes their own code, so that kinda bums me out.

[–] f314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I think you’re underestimating the amount of comments we’re talking about. I routinely see AI generate files where more than half the lines are comments! And the content of those comments are often inanely detailed and focused on inconsequential stuff, often referring to earlier iterations (“we’re no longer doing X because Y“) when those iterations were never even commited.

[–] Bumrocky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Same here. Even at my job we all comment our code because we spend more time in it and need a quick way to search the code for parts doing specific tasks. I did the same for a class and got a 0 for using AI. Makes me sad too

[–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can just turn the intelligence bullshit off on macos, no mee for 3rd party software. I've never had it suggest or correct anything on my work laptop.

Not the new one. Maybe don't update to 27.

To be clear, you had to opt in before. Now it's just there.

Now, you can turn off Siri. But "Apple Intelligence" is now baked into the OS. All the 27 OSes (macOS, iOS, etc).

Hence the command line tool all the tech blogs are talking about.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it works/does the job it's not "slop". I don't care who or what TF wrote it.

Slop has been around for a long, long time—before LLMs existed. Just because AI was involved in making something, that doesn't mean it's slop.

Example: AI was used to discover that Baricitinib (a drug used to treat rheumatoid arthritis) was a good candidate for treating patients infected with COVID-19. Trials were expedited and it turns out the AI was right: Baricitinib proved to be effective.

I know this isn't a popular stance in this community, but AI writing code is a machine writing for a machine. It's not really in the same ballpark as AI writing SEO bullshit, spamming bad content, or being used to generate/spread propaganda.

"If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid."

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't entirely disagree. The writing app was kind of a struggle. But my wife is an artist, and she takes a hard line against AI. I knew she would disapprove of me using AI-generated tools to write a story, and I absolutely knew that she would never read it if AI made the tool I used to write it.

I think the hard line against AI is going to push a lot of people off technology, or they're going to have to soften the line. It'll come when Windows and macOS are made with AI, at least in some part. Windows is heading that way, and they have the biggest market share by far. It's like Twitter, people say they don't like what Elon Musk does or is about, but they still use it. People don't like things Windows does now, but games still target it. I assume, because Microsoft and Nvidia do so much for gaming as it is, that supporting the bad shit Windows does is an acceptable compromise. I want more developers to support the Mac, but who am I kidding? macOS 27 "Golden Gate" doesn't even let you turn off Apple Intelligence. After being forced to download the 14GB models with no way to remove them (yes I know about the command-line tool, and I do not trust it), your only option is to not use the new Siri/AI stuff. So then there's Linux (which also doesn't work on Macs) and a lot of Linux distros are leaning into AI. Some are rejecting it.

So my big issue with the iPhone app wasn't just that it was made with AI. It was that the guy took money and ran. He wasn't about to cough up more AI tokens to fix his app until a lot more people ponied up for the app. How many? Who knows. And the next time something goes wrong, it's the same situation. Reminds me of my last Android phone. Got shit for support from the community. So the community came together, reached out to a popular custom firmware developer, and said "we will buy you this phone if you port your CFW to it." He agreed. People raised money, and bought him the phone. He released one version, then flipped the phone and kept the money. People asked for a new version. He said he'd need another phone for each new version/update because the one $800 phone or whatever it was would only buy one update. There was some back-and-forth for a while, but ultimately he didn't cheat anybody. He just set the price beyond what they were willing to pay.

Likewise, I could pay about $70 for Scrivener, which is a commercial novel-writing application. You used to be able to get it for half off the first month of December if you claimed to "win" NaNoWriMo — National Novel Writing Month, a sponsored, overly-commercialised writing event that takes place every November. Or it used to, when it turned out NaNoWriMo were using what people wrote and fed into its word counter to train AI. Whoops. So I don't think that deal exists anymore. Plus, Scrivener isn't like using Excel instead of a calculator. It's like using Access instead of counting on one hand. It's like dropping a nuke to kill an ant. Super overkill. Or I could use Neo, and annoy my wife. (The writing tool made with Claude.) But instead, I pay $6 a month for an anti-AI writing tool, because I'm too fancy to use TextEdit (read: Notepad if you're more familiar with Windows).

Anyway, I don't want someone looking at this — multiple paragraphs, em dashes, rich-text formatting, proper use of symbols... and think I'm AI. Because that just really defeats the purpose of communicating with people online. I'm not gonna show my government ID. I'm not going to ask for yours/theirs. People just gotta trust each other, because if we don't... the robots have won.

[–] chrisashtear@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago

I really dont think "the line" is going to come when windows is ai written. It is half vibe coded now and it is awful. Ive used windows for 30 years, and im in the middle of moving to linux because it just keeps getting worse and worse.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow, that's a lot to unpack but two things:

  • Linux runs just fine on Macs.
  • These days, you don't need a super experienced dev to make phone firmware because AI can do it (or make it a heck of a lot easier for a non-android-expert dev). 🤣
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Linux runs on Intel Macs. After 2019, Apple transitioned to Apple Silicon (basically made in-house). There is work being done on porting Linux to it. I heard about one that works on the M3 specifically. Even before the Apple Silicon move, Apple had another chip Linux couldn't really work with. Before that chip, though, yes — Intel Macs supported Linux just fine, as well as Windows. Because they used the same parts as PCs.

I wouldn't trust custom firmware on my phone that was made by AI. Then again, maybe AI did a lot of the official firmware. Who knows.

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 16 hours ago

You are thinking of Asahi Linux, although it's a project with multiple components and other distributions often take some of the components to add support for the Macs as well. Runs great on M1 and M2, currently GPU broken on M3. One person who was seemingly the only one to fully understand the GPUs and kept fucking with them day and night retired for whatever reason, last I've heard (don't quote me on that), that's probably why.

No LLM code is allowed in Asahi. There's a fork that allows AI and it's not great. Although Linus Torvalds himself decided to allow a little bit of AI through, and allowed a new programming language that itself allows a lot of AI, that's sad. Anyways, OpenBSD also have some very basic support for M1 and M2, although it's for computer nerds and certainly not for writers.

Even before the Apple Silicon move, Apple had another chip Linux couldn't really work with.

False. I mean, technically the truth, Linux couldn't work with the computers, back when the computers literally just started getting sold. Linux runs fine, and all the major BSDs run fine too, although Mesa3D (the super mega universal GPU driver project) removed most of the GPUs that these computers came with after a while, so only 2D is accelerated for some sufficiently oldskool programs. In fact, there's a big chance that if you grab a random Unix workstation from the 90s, it will run a modern OS but probably without GPU acceleration. A GPU is often more complex than the rest of the computer combined.