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[–] Furbag@pawb.social 1 points 1 minute ago

People don't remember that the whole world used to smell like cigarettes.

Ever go to a casino in Las Vegas? Like that, but everywhere all the time.

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I read an anecdote somewhere recently that the air in planes during flights has more germs in it now than it did in the smoking days because they had to filter the air so much more because of the smoke.

No clue if its actually true or not.

[–] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 5 points 3 hours ago

Not sure if it's the bacteria or just having fresh air cycled though the caben. Apparently it saves the airlines millions as they don't have to replace filters and the system runs at a reduced capacity. Good to know someone is benefitting

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 76 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

There have been, like, five societal things that have improved since the 90s, and banning smoking in basically all public spaces is one of them.

I can't even imagine air travel before the smoking ban. Mega yuck.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Also smoking bans are so usa centric. Going to Europe is insane because they are so insanely rude with how they smoke compared to the usa

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 4 points 3 hours ago

I remember flying into Germany in '06 and being able to light up anywhere in the airport, went back in '13 or '14 and they had little booths.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 18 points 6 hours ago

It wasn't pleasant. I was a kid and didn't fly much. but I did experience it.

Because everyone smoked everywhere, you were at least used to it. Airplanes are super well ventilated, not enough to make it pleasant, but enough that you weren't feeling like you were going to die when they all lit up.

[–] protist@retrofed.com 12 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago) (1 children)

Restrictions on in-flight smoking started in '88, when the oldest boomers were 43 and the youngest were ~~14~~ 24. The Greatest Generation were the ones who smoked like chimneys.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The youngest boomers were about 25 not 14 in 1988.

[–] protist@retrofed.com 1 points 21 minutes ago

You're right, 24. My point still stands though

[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

My stepfather was a lifelong smoker. He smoked a full pack of Marlboro reds every day, and my mom smoked a full pack of menthols. I calculated out how much they spent yearly on cigarettes alone and it came to over $5000, and that was in the late 90's; it's probably much higher these days. Both of them had been smoking since the 70's.

When I talked to them about quitting, they both said that they enjoyed smoking too much, it's a stress relief, it's something to do, etc. They were aware of the health risks, but believed the risks were overblown and that emphysema is an "old person's" disease.

Last year he was diagnosed with stage 3 emphysema. The man is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-as-nails army vet boomer, and his obstinate machismo made him ignore years of poor health and lung disease symptoms all to finally end up as an old person with an "old person's" disease. Credit to him though, he did quit cold turkey the day his doctors delivered the diagnosis; the same obstinacy that pushed him to never give up smoking is what pushed him to quit. Me and my family love the hell out of him, and we're glad that he finally quit, but it's so aggravating that there are still so many people out there who discount the risks of smoking.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

My mom never quit and died from COPD. My dad did quit back in 1981 but still had congestive heart failure later in kifecand had no chance when he got the 'rona.

Both of my sisters smoke. One sister has already had a heart attack.

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

In my country there were ads that showed a smoker who had emphysema as part of an anti-smoking campaign.

They described it like taking a deep breath and then exhaling just a small puff, then inhaling that puff and repeating forever until you die.

Sorry for your stepfathers diagnosis.

[–] Sordid_Seraphim@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 hours ago

It's because there's also genetics at play. One person can die young doing everything right and another could be like your stepfather and live just about forever.

Then that gets people think "well how am I different? I'll be just fine too!"

[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

"We had it all" is the message some people get from "you could never get away from the bloody cigarette smoke"?

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 hours ago

If you were on a plane they had food you didn’t have to pay an arm and a leg for, they’d even do kosher and vegetarian options. Before that they would just give you something else you usually had to buy. The message is “boomers bitch and moan about how hard they worked when they had it easier than any generation before or since, especially white American boomers-they were handed luxury goods for free!”

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It also used to be obscenely more expensive to fly

you weren't getting the equivalent of ryanairs £13 gatwick to holland flights

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Prices to fly seem pretty obscene right now tbf. Transatlantic over $700 per seat round trip at my last look.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 31 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean enshittification doesn't just affect software and internet. It works the same way elsewhere too: create demand for a product by making it high quality, once everything is structured around that product so that it can not be easily removed from society, enshittify it by significantly reducing quality while keeping most of the profit because now everything is shaped around your product.

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[–] lemmygarden@lemmy.today 12 points 8 hours ago (2 children)
[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

Okay like I quit smoking anyway, so whatever. But it would have been easier to quit if I could have bought little packs like this rather than a full 20 every time I wanted 1.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago

theyre super similar looking to a lot of the legal packs of joints you can get in Canada now!

they're called "straight roll" joints - i prefer them because they're a better amount for one person imo.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I wonder if there will be a remembrance culture for the mass deaths caused by climate change like there is for germans with the holocaust. Like: "Grandma, why did great grandad not do anything to stop the death of hundreds of millions when everyone knew it was going to happen?"

[–] OryxAndCake@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think you're being a wee bit too optimistic about this whole future thing, emmissions are still rising and we're heading into massive worldwide famines and droughts in the forseeable future.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but humanity wont be wiped out, it will just suffer a lot. Maybe it will be billions of dead even, but we will figure something out as we always do and then we will say "wasnt so bad after all right?" and learn nothing from it.

[–] OryxAndCake@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

90% of earths topsoil is at risk of depletion by 2050

Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030

Global human population has surpassed Earth’s sustainable carrying capacity.

Global carbon emissions are still rising

The world is likely to exceed a key global warming target soon but the earths albedo with the declining sea ice and lack of cloud cover will impact these numbers massively and isn't being predicted for, which means that 4.5c above the baseline by 2060 is now possible.

Oh and this El Nino is so powerful the fucking graph needed to be made bigger today and all of the above is and will continue to be impacted by this as it progresses.

So yeah, unless we can somehow rapidly evolve physics defying magic to handwave all our problems away before basically everything dies, basically everything will die.

E/sp

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You can put quite a lot of nines after the decimal point if more than 99% of people die without humanity reaching its lowest population in history, so the post you're replying to is right that humans are likely to persevere, and knowing humans, there's a good chance that if industrial civilisation starts again (which is less likely - you need lots of accessible cheap coal to make it worth putting up with rudimentary steam engines long enough to develop good ones), lessons won't be learned and we'll pollute ourselves to death again.

[–] OryxAndCake@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

With no soil to grow food in and a climate too hot and unstable to support crop growth, we're not going to be persevering for very long.

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[–] IndignantIguana@piefed.social 38 points 10 hours ago (14 children)

So now we're complaining about the enshittification of everything driven by the need to maximize profit in a capitalist system and blaming it on our grandparents? More divisive intergenerational warfare bullshit. If you want to find who to blame for this shit look at the capitalists demanding more and more profit from airlines, manufacturers, literally every part of the economy. It always comes down to class war.

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[–] forbiddencherry@lemmy.today 46 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Not that it should have to be either or, but I'll take less leg room over their gross smoke-filled cabin any day.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

It's going to be standing seats before too long. All the airline CEOs have been drooling over those for years.

[–] LostListener@piefed.social 19 points 8 hours ago

It’ll probably radically shift to laying down. They’ve wanted to bring this seating arrangement back for a lot longer

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[–] Akh@lemmy.world 72 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Literally everything. You know credit scores were invented by boomers?!

[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

Man it’s almost like as soon as banks were legally required to stop discriminating against women and black folks, they invented backdoor methods of accomplishing it

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You know Boomers didn't have credit scores until after they had GenX and Millennials? Boomers didn't grow up with as much red tape as we do

[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 26 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah women didn’t have bank accounts without a “hubby”

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

So now we see where we went wrong? /s

[–] peacepath@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Smoking in flight should be turned mandatory for the whole length of the flight... that would reduce air traffic enough to match ecological needs.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How much do the kids have to smoke? I assume it's proportional to carry on allowance?

[–] peacepath@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They can smoke as adults, anyway, on a 10 hours flight in confined air with hundreds of passengers lighting a new cigaret with the previous one, the air would be that charged in second hand smoke that the filter of the cigaret may allow to breath better... not sure... Also, you would not wonder why the babies cry, and we would probably soon agree that their answer to the situation is the correct one (even if it is very hard to smoke while crying).

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

They cry because they can't smoke fast enough and they yearn for the mines.

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