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Flying was also considered a luxury back then, but yeah keep whining about an generational difference while democracy is torn down around you.

Banning smoking on planes is NOT a fumble

I tried ones similar to these the stevemre way, from Vietnam rations before they got absurdly expensive. They kicked hard like the Ukrainian cigarettes I had, they were both unfiltered. It's actually kind of funny, the Ukrainian cigarettes inflicted so much pain--I don't know how my dad smoked them--that I smoked my first cigar like a cigarette thinking this is fine.

People don't remember that the whole world used to smell like cigarettes.

Ever go to a casino in Las Vegas? Like that, but everywhere all the time.

I read an anecdote somewhere recently that the air in planes during flights has more germs in it now than it did in the smoking days because they had to filter the air so much more because of the smoke.

No clue if its actually true or not.

There have been, like, five societal things that have improved since the 90s, and banning smoking in basically all public spaces is one of them.

I can't even imagine air travel before the smoking ban. Mega yuck.

Restrictions on in-flight smoking started in '88, when the oldest boomers were 43 and the youngest were ~~14~~ 24. The Greatest Generation were the ones who smoked like chimneys.

My stepfather was a lifelong smoker. He smoked a full pack of Marlboro reds every day, and my mom smoked a full pack of menthols. I calculated out how much they spent yearly on cigarettes alone and it came to over $5000, and that was in the late 90's; it's probably much higher these days. Both of them had been smoking since the 70's.

When I talked to them about quitting, they both said that they enjoyed smoking too much, it's a stress relief, it's something to do, etc. They were aware of the health risks, but believed the risks were overblown and that emphysema is an "old person's" disease.

Last year he was diagnosed with stage 3 emphysema. The man is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-as-nails army vet boomer, and his obstinate machismo made him ignore years of poor health and lung disease symptoms all to finally end up as an old person with an "old person's" disease. Credit to him though, he did quit cold turkey the day his doctors delivered the diagnosis; the same obstinacy that pushed him to never give up smoking is what pushed him to quit. Me and my family love the hell out of him, and we're glad that he finally quit, but it's so aggravating that there are still so many people out there who discount the risks of smoking.

"We had it all" is the message some people get from "you could never get away from the bloody cigarette smoke"?

It also used to be obscenely more expensive to fly

you weren't getting the equivalent of ryanairs £13 gatwick to holland flights

I mean enshittification doesn't just affect software and internet. It works the same way elsewhere too: create demand for a product by making it high quality, once everything is structured around that product so that it can not be easily removed from society, enshittify it by significantly reducing quality while keeping most of the profit because now everything is shaped around your product.

I wonder if there will be a remembrance culture for the mass deaths caused by climate change like there is for germans with the holocaust. Like: "Grandma, why did great grandad not do anything to stop the death of hundreds of millions when everyone knew it was going to happen?"

Literally everything. You know credit scores were invented by boomers?!

So now we're complaining about the enshittification of everything driven by the need to maximize profit in a capitalist system and blaming it on our grandparents? More divisive intergenerational warfare bullshit. If you want to find who to blame for this shit look at the capitalists demanding more and more profit from airlines, manufacturers, literally every part of the economy. It always comes down to class war.

Not that it should have to be either or, but I'll take less leg room over their gross smoke-filled cabin any day.