Consolidate the emotions into lifestyle and you end up with easily manipulated groups to lead for you agendas...
From politics to to subcultures...
It's the reason why everything seems to lose its soul.
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2026
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That was when republicans were the progressives and democrats were the conservatives, though.
Before the party flip, it makes little sense to refer to ‘republicans’ and ‘democrats’. Those labels changed, not only in their values, but what the ‘conservative’ and ‘progressive’ platforms even were at that time, since there were different crossover issues than in today’s society.
Mmm it was mid flip. Don't forget that Republicans railed against Social Security that FDR was proposing.
Before the major flip during the Southern Strategy of the 60s/70s, though.
That’s sort of what I meant by crossover issues early on making even ‘conservative’ and ‘progressive’ muddy, even beyond ‘Republican’ and ‘Democratic’ being basically meaningless to our modern ears.
Yep. Conservatives came to be called that because they were interested in conservation of nature, before it came to describe fiscal policy or religious extremism. the conservatives of today are nothing like them.
to my understanding, that is very much not true.
the terminology of being a "conservative" did not come from supporting conservation of nature. that might be one aspect, and indeed, still today, there are conservatives that are very much interested in the conservation of nature, but this is not where it came from. it came from schools of thought in the american and french revolution concerning conservation of aspects of tradition, aristocracy, royalty, and religion.
afaik, this has also been the case tbroughout american history as well. perhaps you are referring to people like teddy roosevelt, who identified as a conservative to the public and had conservationist views and policies.
to my understanding, that is very much not true.
You say it's not true, but then you describe a time during which the word was used in a different way, as more of an adjective or categorization than to name a party defined by that category. I stand by what I said.
Many "conservatives" of today shouldn't be called that imho, it's more like they are progressive but in a different direction
Regressives?
They’re just reactionaries
Ho ho! There's at least 5 millionaires here, judging by the downvotes!
Yea, google the southern strategy, racist fucknutz from the south took over the GOP and the parties flipped with the former GOP politicians becoming Democrats
That happened after the Nixon presidency.
It started in the 50s, ironically because the GOP couldn’t make gains in the south, so they started to appeal to southern white racists to get their vote. It wasn’t a quick thing
Quick edit, I should say its roots started in the 50s. Nothing of which belays the point that the GOP that freed the slaves is the same GOP that likes to say they are the party of Lincoln
Many Eisenhower voters became Democrats when the GOP took a hard right in the late 60s/early 70s.
If they want to be the party of Lincoln they also have to be the party of Eisenhower.
Was it the 60's when there was the parties flipped? I always thought it was the 20's/30's with Hoover and FDR?
There have been multiple realignments, the relevant one there was Nixon and the Southern Strategy.
Don't suppose you can point to a comprehensive list of the realignments?
Comprehensive? Lord no, but Wikipedia does have a decent enough list here.
Looks pretty comprehensive to me. Appreciate it!
Though the "Other possible political realignments" section feels a little liberal in its definition of "realignments", what with approximately every other election since 1964 being labeled as a realignment.
That's kinda why I called it not comprehensive, it seems a bit too inclusive for me to think that word quite applies.
The flip was with FDR, but between 60s-80s they defined what the modern Republican is.
I always like to refer to this site and its infographic - https://kathleenkowal.com/blog/history-of-political-parties-in-the-us
I've seen similar before, but it's a good broad view of how things moved around. It wasn't a flip in the 60s, but a migration of the Dixiecrats (Civil Rights was just too far for them) and dying off of the more liberal side of the Republicans, so those voters scattered, some coming to the Democrat side since that's where support for things like social programs went.
The last good Republican president.