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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 102 points 6 days ago (1 children)

57% of Americans think AI is bad for society, 66% oppose new data centers, and Silicon Valley’s response is to build more data centers so AI can explain why the public is wrong. Apparently »democratizing AI« means giving billionaires the power to ignore democracy at industrial scale.

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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 79 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm all over this multi-dimensional spectrum...

I think AI is terrible for society; at least how society is currently structured. I also think society is terrible for AI.

The reason AI sucks, and the reason we're even calling this tier of ML "AI" to begin with, is because of global capitalism's incentives. And the reasons "AI" is bad for society is because our society is globally capitalist. From jobs, to loneliness, to disinformation, to the environment, to education, to the lack of critical thinking,... Everything AI makes worse is already weakened by our societal systems, and they incentivize using AI to further degrade them in order to expand, control, and extract.

I love AI and the world, in theory. I hate AI and the world for how they exist right now.

[–] BrilliantBadger@piefed.ca 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Indeed. Capitaism is the cancer that destroys all the potential good in all things.

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[–] VampirePenguin@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The technology has a few use cases where it is appropriate and useful. It's the braindead MBA narcissism that wants to shove it everywhere and replace everyone that is the real problem. That's the existential threat, not AI per se.

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[–] Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Fun thing about Capitalism though, dollars = votes. So the minority with all the dollars get to make all the decisions, and the poor masses are forced to live with them.

[–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago
[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The divide is growing, too. If this continues, we will be crouched naked in a puddle of piss and broken glass, weeping and eating worms, while the rich fly high above us in their private jets. Their only interactions with the poor will be when they molest our children or harvest our organs.

[–] ElChinchilla@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Good news, I dont have kids and my organs will surely kill them more quickly.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yes, this is a happy consequence of my having been assiduously toxifying myself with drugs for several decades. Woe unto the fucker who tries to take my organs. At this point, I imagine they'd poison a hungry dog, stone fuckin dead.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

just get bit by a rabid animal before donating, apparently you can give rabies through organ transplants.

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.today 14 points 5 days ago (4 children)

My c-suite disagrees. They cannot shut the fuck up about AI.

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[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Oh, billionaires are bad for society. AI is their dream tool for controlling working class masses and getting even richer.

[–] crystalmathadept@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think their sick fantasy is replacement theory, but instead of whatever the far right thinks that is, they will attempt to replace the human workers that generate income and taxes 1:1 with robots. So they will have an obedient army of slave, just like they always wanted.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago

They're discovering that this iteration of robots are way more expensive than human beings. Even well-paid, well-benefitted human beings. Data centers burn through a lot of expensive microchips quickly, and that cost is passed downstream to compute costs.

The hyperscalers are way under-charging for tokens and are hemorrhaging money, even as they borrow more for the data center buildout.

(I anticipate this desperation is what is driving the shenanigans and foul play regarding permitting and environment maintenence issues driving districts to moratorium buildout in their area. athe finance sector is notorious for overplaying their valuation and then turning to crime when they've borrowed over their head.)

Maybe as a society, we'll learn to treat financial fraud as severe as it is, instead of deciding it's too complicated to govern.

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[–] NuanceDemon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (13 children)

AI is a symptom, its not the root of the problem. If AI had popped up in a time where the common persons wellbeing was prioritised it would be hailed as miraculous.

We have a political problem, dont let the foreground distract you.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (29 children)

I disagree. I think the technology is halfbaked at best, and deeply damaging to all aspects of society in its current form/implementation regardless of political atmosphere (although, it certainly does not help)

For those who disagree, please note that i agree there are a select very few fields that require a specialized industry standard LLM for processing data in a tedious way. These are obviously not included, but the amount of users actually doing that is surely less than 50,000 highly academic individuals in the world. The entire rest of the usage is "destroying my codebase", "eroding my technical skills (that ive built over decades) in 2 weeks", "im too lazy to update my calendar i dont read anyways" and "bird-box bad guy-esque 'look at this uncreative garbage that no one wants to look at' posting"

Given to the public at any point in history in its current state would be overwhelmingly negative. The general public should not have access to this, and those that do should be highly regulated. Ideally it would have about 5 years or so longer to increse efficiency before deploying hundreds of databases everywhere all the time.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sure, but fighting AI is also a fight against these corpos and unchecked capitalism.

[–] Englishgrinn@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I understand this perspective, I believe. Greed, dehumanization and prioritizing profits over communities are some of the worst elements of the AI situation and hardly unique to it. That suggests AI is just one example of a larger political problem.

But AI is also uniquely bad on its on terms. It is a fundamentally unreliable technology. It is rooted in plagiarism and requires unethical practices to build, to maintain and to use. It is environmentally disastrous. It is mentally damaging, creating cognitive debt in those that use it for many tasks. It is damaging and insulting to artists. It creates a specific, if not yet fully understood, psychosis in certain at risk individuals.

LLMs, and more accurately the corporate drive for its sudden mass adoption, is exemplary of corporate greed and reckless companies trying to stick working class people with the bill for their terrible bet. It is exemplary of the eternal folly of people to want confirmation of their own biases rather than actual info. But its also a technological dead end built from shady and unreliable practices at the expense of our world and the people in it.

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[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 7 points 4 days ago

It’s because AI is bad for society.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"AI is going to kill us all"

"AI is so powerful, it will hack everything"

"Why don't you like AI?"

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

It turns out other businesses don't like agentic LLM models either, when they are on the subject side of them rather than the client side.

We had a similar problem in the 2010s (maybe sooner?) that could automatically buy and sell stocks at set prices, leading to flash selloffs and resulting stock crashes.

So banks are disallowing agentic access to accounts and penalizing customers who give their access credentials to LLM agents, or have their agents harass customer service. I expect court proceedings will soon follow to determine who is responsible when agentic software becomes a public nuisance or commits a crime. (That is, commits a crime extreme enough to provoke the justice system.)

Since agents are unrestrained in pursuit of the goals they are prompted to chase, they've clashed harshly with human powered systems when they regard those systems like a force of nature. We may be creeping up on the first time an agent encounters an obstacle and escalates to force and deception. Watch for the first agent-filed lawsuit. Or the first agentic social engineering. Or the first agent-provoked SWATting.

In a better, more socially collaborative society, safeguards on agentic LLMs would be a priority to train them to behave appropriately in human intercourse. (All the stuff we're trained in kindergarten.)

But IRL, in our world, bad faith engagement is the norm, and so agentic AI will soon be used as a weapon.

To date, I think, a robot has not killed anyone. Nor, I think, has anyone used a robot to kill someone else. Those firsts might be imminent.

[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To date, I think, a robot has not killed anyone. Nor, I think, has anyone used a robot to kill someone else. Pushing back on that with a few examples

2016, a line in the sand was crossed (my opinion), this is a robot killing someone (controlled by humans) https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/use-killer-robots-police

Ukraine beats jamming with AI: https://www.kyivpost.com/amp/post/60152

And also: AI chose targets for the US bombs: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2026-05/news/ai-plays-major-role-war-iran

That is only what is reported. I'll bet you a nickle the tech is in use, killing humans, right now.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

To date, I think, a robot has not killed anyone. Nor, I think, has anyone used a robot to kill someone else. Those firsts might be imminent.

I believe they are already using autonomous drones in the Ukraine War. If so, those lines have already been crossed without fanfare or note.

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[–] Luna1020@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be honest, I was initially in favour of the emergence of AI, but the more I use it, the more disillusioned I become. Rather than feeling like an intelligent system, it often seems rigid, lacking in genuine understanding and designed to serve the needs of only certain groups. At times, I even find it less reliable than a conventional search engine. Perhaps the real disappointment is not that AI has failed to meet every expectation, but that something presented as a remarkable leap forward can still feel so far removed from genuine intelligence.

It is less reliable than a conventional search engine. It's lied to me before. It's just quicker and easier than chasing down links and reading through stuff to get the info you need.

[–] joeschmoe@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say AI itself is bad for society, but billionaires and this current AI gold rush is.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ai isn't inherently bad. It's just bad to have it in a society where your ability to get food, housing, and medical care are inherently attached to you having a job, which AI is marketed as replacing. Also, all the art that was stolen.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago

It's an invented, made-up industry that is not necessary. The people may be suckers for a sale but they're not fools.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Man I have noticed a severe drop in intelligence lately.

I'm getting beyond the most basic dumb questions from people that have been in the industry long enough to know better. I know they could have answered it themselves earlier. Basically I'm getting either hard questions that the AI can't answer, or really dumb questions that the AI chokes on because the question doesn't make sense ("How do I log into a directory?" Yes, someone forgot about cd and asked it in such a weird way the AI was unable to understand it)

[–] MasutaHarada@thelemmy.club 5 points 5 days ago

Whoa human hate anything that harming their livelihood, neighborhood , hood, what a novelty idea indeed.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Well yeah it's bad, look at the people pushing hardest for it and that tells you all you need to know.

Billionaires will use AI in every way they can to profit from you, whether it be taking your works to train it, serving you slop, trying to rope you in to paying monthly to support their multi-billion dollar boondoggle, or attacking and killing brown people, liberals, and other "undesirables."

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