Hey, we got some troll baiting going on in this thread. Don't fall for it. If you start to feel angry, that's the point.
Go after the idea, not the user.
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I’d argue about per capita but nobody who sees this cares about that.
I mean...
A population of 873,965 in San Fran vs 2,304,580 in Houston.
1 in ~25,000 people in San Fran get murdered vs 1 in ~7,150 people in Houston. That's ~3.5x higher. Per capita isn't helping much here.
It's helping a lot
I’m not saying SF is more dangerous. I’m just saying people are idiots who don’t understand statistics. Which is what got us into this mess.
You are right to call it out.
OP is poorly presented. Murder rates should be presented at number per 100k.
Anything else is a shiti spin.
And yes that's how we got here to begin with.
When truth is on your side, why are these idiots adding unnecessary spin?
I’ve changed my mind about this.
People are idiots and campaigning like they’re not is how you lose.
Make shit up, misrepresent statistics, flat out lie. I don’t give a fuck anymore.
Truth has been on our side this whole time and it hasn't mattered an iota. So I don't care about making sure everything is laid out "just so" anymore. The 2-second walkaway is the win.
There's no such thing as a "Republican state," nearly every state is split somewhere between 51/49 and 60/40. There are "Republican-run states," but inside every Republican-run state is a "Democrat-run city" which has been a convenient narrative for Republicans of late. Houston's mayor is a Democrat, and Harris county has more registered Democrats than Republicans; in 2024 metro Houston voted for Kamala over Trump.
Whether Abbot or Whitmire is more to blame for Houston's violence is just a political distraction. Both bear some responsibility and I'm tired of both sides running finger-pointing narratives rather than trying to find constructive solutions.
They specifically and frequently point out Houston is a “Democrat-run” city populated by Blacks; Their echo chamber is way ahead of you here and This would only reinforce their beliefs
Chicago is played out, they gotta find a new place to point at for the ‘urban crime’ types.
What’s the per capita rate?
Looks like Houston is 11.5 and San Francisco is 4 per 100k.
It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all. The murder rate in San Francisco is still too high, if you compare it with other nations and their cities. Considering how much surveillance and how much money their government pumps in the police system… you would think they finally would wake up and find out that all those measures are only in place to protect the capital of the ruling class and not the citizens…
It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all.
Genuine question (for you or anyone else with the same mentality): what would you do? Everyone on this website talks about how weird Americans are for just "being ok with everything going on" when in fact most of us aren't and have practically no ability to do anything about it that doesn't result in our own immediate death.
Besides, "amass enough capital (in a system designed to prevent you from amassing capital) to leave this shitty country", what would you actually do? Since it's mind blowing that we're not doing it and all...
(Sorry if this comes across as angry or directed at you, it's frustrating to live in a dumpster fire and read comments all day from people not in the dumpster fire implying that I'm just totally ok with said dumpster fire.)
As an individual: Definitely leave. Generally I think some people ought to shut up and get the hell out instead of impotently complaining online.
I think what these posters are asking about, though, is how it is possible that the American people in aggregate support this system? And they do. Just like how about half of Israelis support Netanyahu. Sure sure. Electoral college, voting system, bla bla. Trump won the popular vote against Harris. How? This is clearly an electorate that itself is the problem. The people of the US doesn't suffer under its government. The people of the US suffers because it chooses to.
Leave to become an immigrant in another country that ends up deporting us?
Using all this money that we don't have?
Bringing our direct family with us, tearing them away from friendships and other family?
Cool idea
Yeah, the 32 of 827k population SF is pretty damn awful when compared to the 54 of 6m population Denmark or the 13 of 1.4m population Copenhagen..
One of a million pieces of data pointing at the fact that surveillance and law enforcement is NOT how you bring down crime.
Oh, some of us a are very aware. But theres not much we can do when living in a facist police state that has half the country raving mad about where people shit with their fearmongering propaganda.
The idea that a Democrat might have done wrong is more important than the reality that a Republican definitely did wrong.
Houston, we have a problem
If you think Greg Abbott isn't chomping at the bit to take over Houston municipal government and have all the local elected officials ejected, you haven't been paying attention to Texas politics in at least ten years.
I haven't, I live very far from there. Just wanted to humorously throw in that famous quote
Westmob and Big Block got a truce on or something?
So sick of USA politics showing up everywhere.
It's silly, the community allows any tweets except international politics. So it will just be overrun by US tweets.
Make it easy on yourself, just block the community. US Defaultism doesn't go away
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The murder rate in the USA, for a supposed 1st World civilized country is fucking pathetic. Life is cheap in the USA. The labor laws and healthcare system stress out society and one has nothing to lose. Yes, the Red Run Oblasts have plenty of violent crime and gun related deaths.
Did they really take artistic liberties to make the Bay Bridge coloration look like the Golden Gate?
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The unfortunate part about real life is that republicans just think democrats are lying about those numbers. They make up whatever stats they need in order to do what they want. Also, Houston has a democratic mayor. So they would probably blame him got the crimes.
Let's see, Houston has ~4X the population and ~10x the murders. So unless that equation is known to be non linear, that seems pretty bad Mr abbot
Mr abbot: who gives a fuck about brown people?!
What the hell is Abbott supposed to do about it? Send in the state guard?
How about calling a special session to get the legislators to use state state money to address the root causes like systemic inequality against poor brown people? You know, an empathetic human approach?
But of course he's a republican and so only has a flaming ball of tar where his soul should be, so that's never going to happen.
So simple!!
It's not, BUT, doing absolutely nothing to address the problem is orders of magnitude easier, which is why Abbot picked it (or his rich friends like the prison pipeline just the way it is)
Could really see Newsom becoming president of the future New California Republic. Not saying I like that future. But I am starting to see it how it could come to pass
The south was burned to the ground when they tried to secede. Enough of the country hates California that it probably would happen again if they tried. And the 35% of Republicans in the state would probably help.
Perhaps. California has loads of money and access to lots of technological infrastructure. They could potentially seize tech companies' operations and deprive the rest of the country of things like their Gmail, YT access, operating systems, etc. GDP is very translatable to power imo.
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This chatgpt prompt shows some telling details (spoiler alert: it’s not about crime rates):
What are the crime rates in cities Trump is activating the national guard in, in relation to other US cities ?
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