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I think we need an amendment to rescind the pardon. Reduce it to a stay of execution only. Why is it even a thing? Did they really think giving this power to a sitting president would ONLY be used to right injustices? It's a friggin unlimited commit crimes and get out of jail free card.
Yeah, pardons don't make sense unless you believe that executives can never do wrong.
Which is a very strange belief to have as people in the process of rebelling against a king because he made decisions they didn't like.
there should 100% be a check on pardons, like everything else. However, it wouldn't do much good in this situation seeing how congress and SC have already abdicated their duties.
I'm at the point where fuck it... Play the game by their rules. Put them in prison even though they're pardoned. Oh it's illegal? You don't say...
Let's just take all of his money instead.
he's used his money to commit crimes, he'll do it again. the fact he has so fucking much of it is too great a temptation.
civil forfeiture of all of it should definitely be on-the-table.
if a redneck sheriff can take a black guy's cash (it might have come from drugs) that he was takin' to pay ma's rent... muskrat's money.. hell, all those fukfaces' money.. should be fair game for the taking.
A pardon won't keep him from being de-naturalized & deported.
If the act for which the pardon was issued was the grounds for the denaturalization, it couldn't be used as the basis for a federal administrative sanction such as denaturalization. There's precedent for that.
Pardons have to be for a specific crime which they have not been convicted of.
In the near future American school children will respond to being told about Nixon with "wait, that's it?!"
Assuming they aren't too busy sheltering in place, of course.
Nixon was surpassed by Iran/Contra.
Ronnie Raygun had the largest number in history (138) for the number of people in an administration that were investigated, indicted or convicted. And the conservatives spent most of the 90s and beyond agitating to have stuff named after him, and to put that asshole on our money and on Mt. Rushmore...
They would have had the country built shrines to the guy if they had their way. They have zero shame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Reagan_administration
"Trump floats" means nothing. Stop reporting on his idiocy as if it's news. It's been ten years of this doofus, and this is Lemmy, there's nobody here left to convince that he'll do anything but whatever he can, while his word means nothing.
Report on what he does, not what he says.
Let me know when he floats face down in the reflecting pool
Let me know when he floats face down in the reflecting pool
You’re gonna be really sad when you miss that headline…
I assure you that they will neither be sad nor miss out. Everyone will know immediately.
His smell couldn't travel THAT far THAT quickly...
lol the internet would be a lot quieter if we had to wait for that. We all deal with his shit and can't even smell it from a distance (thank fucking god)
The states can cut Musk into 50 pieces and imprison each
That's ridiculous. No way all of the states convict him. Likely he will only be cut into 5 pieces.
Pardons from criminal presidents should not be allowed.
a 34-time convicted felon shouldn't be allowed to run for or be elected president. period.
Democrats’ next move: round up the pardoned traitors and execute them. Then pardon the executioner. Problem solved?
So he knows Elon and his staffers have committed crimes then. How is this legal??
How is this legal??
You aren't considering the "who is gonna stop us?" counter-arguement.
It isn't. That's the whole point of the pardon. It was just never imagined that pardons would be used the way they are today. Oh and SCOTUS' godawful ruling on executive immunity.
Some of the founders did imagine it, argued against it, but it was passed anyway.
It sounds so very Trump to pardon preemptively, yet if a pardon is given, it'll be fair grounds for the pardoned to speak about their misdeeds without fear of prosecution, thus letting you spill the beans on everyone else. That's likely why pardons aren't given until people are already well beyond in the shitter.
For this reason, it serves Trump better to promise pardons, but never to deliver them.
It goes a step further than that, once you have a pardon, there are no fifth amendment protections for questions about it anymore. Because with the pardon, you don't need protection.
And we'll hunt your buddies. :D
There's a logical perspective that, if the pardons are to advance his conspiracy, the pardons would be invalid.