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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 139 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Let's be very clear about one thing: Musk is not an engineer. He employs engineers, but he is not an engineer himself. He has given himself the title of Chief Engineer at SpaceX, but that's no different than me giving myself the title of Chief Surgeon. It's meaningless. The actual engineers at Tesla and SpaceX are very capable, though perhaps misguided, as one would have to be to work to further the interests of a megalomaniacal mega-dork like Musk. Unfortunately, many of these actual engineers must also have a kind of cult-like, sycophantic devotion to Musk, which is why none of them have the guts to tell him that AI data centers in space is a stupid fucking idea.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mega-dork is way too weak. He is a full blown Nazi and wants nothing but more power, money, influence etc.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Rocket science is really cool. Rocket scientists are huge geeks about rocket science. If there are really only a handful of organizations hiring rocket scientists (and most of them are run by megalomaniacs or deeply entwined with the MIC), you're faced with the prospect of working for a bad company, or not working on your passion that you specialized in.

I remember some AMAs from The Site That Shall Not Be Named by SpaceX employees, and a common comment was that they do their best to keep him distracted so they can do their actual work because his ideas are stupid.

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[–] spicystraw@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You don't really need a cult following, either. Most engineers just want to get paid well for their hard work and experience. Does Musk pay well? I don't know. But it's hard for me to believe so many smart people work for him just because of a cult following.

[–] rainwall@piefed.social 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

No, he does not pay well. His companies base bay is generally about 10-20% under market, and they are all 5 days in office.

The only reason you work there are for stock grants, you love his politics, or because your a true believer in the mission.

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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This guy really thought Elon Musk was one of the engineers designing Tesla cars?

I get wanting to respect someone, but he’s literally just a rich person. He’s not an engineering wiz.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This

The only Tesla car that is 100% Elmo's idea is the cyber truck and well, it shows.

The guy is, in hisnown words, fully removed, and a serial liar. I don't understand why anyone ever thought anything positive about him

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

People wanted him to be a Tony Stark figure and he was more than happy to not correct them. You only need to read up on him a small amount to realise he's a hype and money guy and not an engineer.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeaaahhh... the upper limit of my engineering experience is as an e-bike/e-scooter mechanic. But that's more than enough to know that I don't want an aluminum frame on a vehicle going faster than 20mph.

Aluminum doesn't handle torsion or vibration well. Like, at all. I've tried to bend aluminum handlebars back after they've suffered a short drop on a curb when the kickstand failed. If they've had enough, they just SNAP. Like fucking twigs. Now, for microvehicles that typically don't suffer a lot of the kind of vibration that big aluminum parts have to take (think wind turbine blades and aircraft), that isn't a big deal. They're operating at low speed, and with prudent care, they last for decades.

However (and this is where I would be very grateful for the insight of actual metallurgists or material scientists), there's a good fucking reason why the frame and chassis of the average personal vehicle is made of steel of a specific carbon percentage. It has better ductility than aluminum alloy, and can handle collisions better. It absorbs that kinetic energy by bending and then relaxing. It doesn't shatter like aluminum does. That is a crucial crash-protection feature that makes the physics behind crumple zones and crash cages work.

Cybertrucks are death traps, they start with a shit frame that cannot protect passengers at high speed collisions (carrying an extremely heavy and highly flammable battery), and end with door handles that have no manual override. Fuck everything about these fucking lemons.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It wasn't 100% him. He might have drawn the body with crayon because it certainly looks like it but he's really not involved, he likes to pretend he is.

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[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 98 points 5 days ago (5 children)

One would think an academic would realize that the hype man doesn't actually do any engineering.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 56 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Elon never was an engineer. He hired amazing engineers who managed to make amazing things despite his constant incompetent meddling.

[–] ol_capt_joe@piefed.social 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not even that. Brilliant people made brilliant things, word reached his vulture ear, and he bought their company.

People, stop giving your money to schmucks. Don't let them buy your company, take control, and fuck shit up. Aim for sustainability, not impossible growth.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Oh he didn't buy it. He placed loyal people in the board of directors and had them vote to give him control of the company. He didn't buy it, be stole it.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

Dude, the only thing Musk engineered in his life were Tesla stocks.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly though, how fucking naive do you need to be to ever think Elon was a competent engineer?

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 5 days ago (9 children)

188k people like Elon’s ableist deflection.

What the goddamned fuck.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And how many of those are from bots, and how many are from Elon’s PR team?

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[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 days ago

Bots, not people

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 10 points 5 days ago

At least 80% of them are bots.

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[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 19 points 4 days ago

"The route of least intellectual resistance" is my new favorite insult.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Okay we all hate Musk, but calling the cooling of a datacenter in space "easy" is correct if you read "easy" as "something we already know how to do," which is kind of how he talks. Pretending to dismiss the idea simply because space is a vacuum ignores realities like the ISS.

Anyway, if you want an explanation of cooling a space datacenter, this video by physicist/astronomer Scott Manly explains it in exhaustive technical detail. There's some pretty good layman's language at around the 15-minute point.

TL;DR: Yes, you could cool a large datacenter in space by doing various things we already know how to do.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

To be fair, Elon was right: to have ever believed that Elon was respectable or an engineer was indeed "fully r-------".

[–] j5y7@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

Elon is mad that a scientist is pointing out the flaws in his latest grift.

There never were going to be data centers in space, that's just another way to dupe investors.

The science is sound. Otherwise a Thermos would be as effective at keeping things hot as any other bottle.

[–] 3jane@piefed.ca 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think he has an undergraduate degree in economics.

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[–] jagermo@feddit.org 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That is the thing that annoys me most. Getting heat away in vacuum / space is super complicated. Plus, what if a component breaks down? You can't send an engineer to replace a faulty cable.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You are fully r_tarded.

…according to Musk. But to anyone with an IQ above room temperature, you’re absolutely correct.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

I remember hearing that in Walter Isaacson's hagiography it said something like "Musk continuously and ruthlessly pushes to first principles of physics"...

Maybe not so much

[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Elon is right, he called Teslas great cars.

[–] Sina@beehaw.org 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I wouldn't be nearly so confident that data centers in space are impossible engineering, but it probably won't happen in my lifetime or Elon's.

I actually know someone who worked on the MIRI instrument & they keep going on and on about heat transmission in wiring being a huge challenge.

[–] uncrme@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

There's no point, is the thing. It's literally just moron tier bait for investors, almost a parody of itself (what if we built data centers, but in SPACE). Nobody needs that. The massive explosion in demand for compute is pointless in the first place anyways.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They are absolutely possible technology and could be constructed in such a way as to be viable.

Cooling in spaces a massive pain in the arse but if you do it at large enough of a scale it actually becomes efficient.

The problem is we need access to a space elevator before we could build at that scale otherwise you'd be sending up hundreds of rockets just to build data center 20% the size of anything we could construct on Earth. Which would obviously be pointless.

So Elon Musk should be working on a space elevator. Except he can't because that would involve advanced physics and material engineering, both of which he is crap at, given the fact that he tried to make a car out of pig iron.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To be clear, they are absolutely possible. There’s nothing preventing them with today’s technology beyond cost.

That doesn’t make musks statements correct. You can’t “easily” cool things in space. Virtually none of the conventional cooling methods work as most rely on heat moving from hot thing to cold thing, that cold thing usually being air in the end. But in space, where there is only vacuum and no air, heat will just build up until whatever is heating it breaks.

As the original tweet said, you can still get rid of heat, but it’s much slower (unless you’re ejecting super heated material regularly) and is quite inefficient.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The best cooling solutions I've seen suggested is to use the waste heat to power an IR laser, and just dump gigawatts of power overboard. If you are primarily relying on solar power to keep the operation going the inefficiency doesn't really matter.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The inefficiency isn’t in the power consumption, it’s in material or time waste.

You can easily remove the heat if you dump it all into a material and then jettisoning that out. The problem is, you need to replenish that material quite often, and that becomes rather inefficient.

You can also radiate the heat out, but that takes a very long time unless you’re willing to utilize a relatively extreme amount of weight and material to that end. It is much much slower than in atmosphere.

An IR laser doesn’t really sound viable to me? They take a boatload of energy, and a huge part of laser design is dealing with the heat the laser produces. I don’t really see how you could a) collect the heat b) turn that into a way to power the laser and c) deal with the lasers heat output, that wouldn’t do more than dump a fraction of the needed heat.

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[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

So you thought he was a good engineer up until this one thing? Okay at least something. But people here, why is this person suddenly relevant that we need to share this tweet, posted on the Nazis fucking own platform?

[–] SlayersFan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't use twitter, this is satire right? cause if this is a real conversation im glad i was never on twitter to begin with lol

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[–] Hyperion@midwest.social 3 points 3 days ago

The only skills Elon has is exploiting workers and milking the government for money. By all accounts he's terrible at everything else

[–] ElChinchilla@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tbf elon was probably just talking to a mirror

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 14 points 5 days ago

tbf his tweets make more sense 99% of the time if you think of it not as messages directed at others, but his inner voice made digital manifest.

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