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[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Buddy, the invasion of Ukraine is a bad thing, but I can also recognize that my country literally set the legal precedent Putin cited to the UN when he started it.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You argue that Ukraine is a puppet of the West and spread misinformation about Ukraine being 'forced' by the West not to negotiate after the massacres at Bucha were revealed, to my memory. Obviously, those poor helpless Ukrainians would have chosen to submit to genocide if it only wasn't for the West making them stay in the fight! Please ignore that the West initially offered Zelenskyy evacuation, giving up on the notion of defending Ukraine before it began, and it was only the choice of the Ukrainian people to continue that caused Western aid to enter at all.

And the idea that Putin offered any serious legal precedent for the invasion of Ukraine is fucking nonsense.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Of course citing article 51 is an un-serious legal justification for invading Ukraine. Just as it was when cited for the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq.

Ukraine isn't a puppet, they aren't being forced. That's your framing of what you claim is my position, not what I've ever said. They're doing the rational thing, given the circumstances. But the US is not supporting them out of some principled stance against invading sovereign countries. Multiple people across both the Biden and Trump governments have said, our goal in the region is to exhaust Russian military capacity.