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[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 8 points 49 minutes ago (2 children)

Like 70% of Russians support the war in Ukraine and escalation of force to meet their strategic goals for a negotiated peace: https://theconversation.com/as-war-in-ukraine-enters-a-5th-year-will-the-putin-consensus-among-russians-hold-275666

By contrast about 27% of Americans support the current US attacks on Iran: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/just-one-four-americans-support-us-strikes-iran-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2026-03-01/

[–] Mistic@lemmy.world 1 points 7 seconds ago

Ask people if they're for or against something that the government is doing in a country where you're not allowed to go against the government and you get the result of the majority agreeing? Shocker. That's like asking, "Are you a traitor or not?" Of course they're answering "no."

That's the same issue explained in the article you're citing. You have to look at questions that aren't direct.

Like other data from Levada (that your source is citing as a source).

Should Russia continue the war or start peace talks? (2026)

  • 61% peace talks
  • 30% continue war

Peace talks people have been the majority for almost the entirety of this "special military operation" (there's only 1 month in 2023 where it wasn't the case)

The number of people who want peace talks has also been steadily increasing.

The 70% you're speaking of consists of 2 groups:

  1. The pro-war people
  2. The "yes" people

The first group is estimated at about 25-30%, these are the actual people who support the invasion, although recently, they seem to have become increasingly dissatisfied with the results and the government

The second group will agree with everything that seems to fit the position of the government. They don't have an actual opinion. They're kind of like sheep: they're just trying to survive. Those are the people who take the stance of propaganda, and they are the reason propaganda works in the first place.

The group who is openly against war is estimated at about 15-25%, although its much more difficult to gauge it considering they are thought to be much less likely to answer questionnaires due to the risk of political prosecution.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 46 minutes ago (2 children)

On one hand, I might dispute the precision of that 70%, considering the terror that Russian people live in of their government.

On the other hand, I wouldn't disagree in general terms.

Also, it's 27% in the USA? Fuck's sake, I'm surprised even MAGA is that fucking stupid. I guess we really aren't getting any lower than that for absolute unquestioning support for fascism.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 37 minutes ago

27% is actually pretty low considering there's about 30% that support Trump through anything.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 3 points 44 minutes ago

I'm fairly certain that a solid 30% of Americans are fully prepared to openly identify as some combination of deliberately evil and/or stupid.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 2 points 12 minutes ago

Fuck america and russia 😳

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I was writing a long comment about US immoral wars, economic sanctions, and CIA political assassination attempts on democratically elected leaders but what's the point. I am just so fucking tired of my own country. It is baffling that there are still people who are proud to be American.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The last bastion of belief I had in this place was the idea that it responded to attempts to improve it and no matter what we did in the past we could make it better for people now.

I think the more optimistic a person is the more prone they are to going the exact same distance the other direction when they realize the nature of things. Whatever that toxic character trait is called that is what mine is.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago

The last bastion of belief I had in this place was the idea that it responded to attempts to improve it and no matter what we did in the past we could make it better for people now.

"To make a more perfect union..."

That was the dream.

I think the more optimistic a person is the more prone they are to going the exact same distance the other direction when they realize the nature of things. Whatever that toxic character trait is called that is what mine is.

There's a phrase/concept for it that I can't remember or find, and it's driving me crazy.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Definitely not my first time, unfortunately.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 1 points 13 minutes ago

We just have dogshit public memory.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 9 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

With Iraq, most people were in favor at the time. This time, even that much can't be said, as the notion of war with Iran is immensely unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Sure it's so unpopular that they keep refusing to vote on stopping him. It's not unpopular if they keep letting him do it.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 0 points 48 minutes ago

Well, unpopular with the public. Popular with congress. A lot of Dem criticism amounts to, "he's doing the thing we want done incompetently!"

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I was younger during Iraq but I definitely remember ordinary people speaking out. It was mainly the media and politicians that made it seem so unanimous. I have a distinct memory of a friend sharing a meme criticizing the case for the invasion and not really understanding it.

Even though I didn't vote for dubya, I did have a similar feeling with Obama and his foreign policy. Not sure how much people remember but he positioned himself as a bit of an anti-war candidate initially.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I was younger during Iraq but I definitely remember ordinary people speaking out.

Unfortunately, I remember polling.

Even though I didn’t vote for dubya, I did have a similar feeling with Obama and his foreign policy. Not sure how much people remember but he positioned himself as a bit of an anti-war candidate initially.

To my memory, he was anti-Iraq War and pro-Afghanistan War, and pursued a foreign policy consistent with that. It would have been strange if he had opted not to assist in Libya after our allies had already involved themselves in a civil war against a dictator; and the plan was to 'pivot' to a defensive position reinforcing allies in Asia (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam) rather than intensifying interventionism, while decreasing the defense budget. Unfortunately, the whole ISIS mess started while that process was ongoing. He still managed to reduce the defense budget - a feat not seen since.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 hour ago

38 to 57 is far from unanimous. I'm just saying there were millions who opposed it from the beginning, but the media and congress made it seem like a tiny fringe position.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I'd like to give a sincere apology to every Russian I judged based on the actions of their country. Until the last few years, I truly did not appreciate the muted hell you were all living in, as well as the deep sense of apathy that comes from decades of watching things continue to get shittier and more corrupt while incompetence and propaganda crush every movement that tries to stop it.

I fully understand now how a large swath of the population can just give up and accept whatever horse shit they're served, not because they necessarily agree with it, but because they are so tired of trying to fight against it and losing every time.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip -1 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Really got the roles swapped on this one.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

An unsurprising response from someone who bootlicks for Russian imperialism in Ukraine.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip -1 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

Buddy, the invasion of Ukraine is a bad thing, but I can also recognize that my country literally set the legal precedent Putin cited to the UN when he started it.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 34 minutes ago

You argue that Ukraine is a puppet of the West and spread misinformation about Ukraine being 'forced' by the West not to negotiate after the massacres at Bucha were revealed, to my memory. Obviously, those poor helpless Ukrainians would have chosen to submit to genocide if it only wasn't for the West making them stay in the fight! Please ignore that the West initially offered Zelenskyy evacuation, giving up on the notion of defending Ukraine before it began, and it was only the choice of the Ukrainian people to continue that caused Western aid to enter at all.

And the idea that Putin offered any serious legal precedent for the invasion of Ukraine is fucking nonsense.