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[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh good. You're one of those. No genius, people focus on the Jewish genocide because it was objectively more deaths. I'm the one that pointed out the Romani were hit harder proportionally and their murder was no less horrific. Two things can be true at the same time. I pointed it out because your red herring about the Kazakhs was bait. The fact that they targeted more than one ethnic group when starving people to death does not make it less of an atrocity, or any less of a parallel to other contemporary ethnic cleansing. Tyrants are going to be tyrants, irrespective and regardless of what philosophy they hide behind.

But go off child. Explain it like my own family didn't lose people in holodomor and many other acts of cruelty, while others perpetrated crimes of their own. I bet you think your hands are clean too. I know a lot of Israelis do. Personally I'm more supportive of the Jews who know what's being done in their name is wrong. Unfortunately most of them aren't there to stop it. The ones that are there tend to be the ones who claim to know the history, but learned precisely the wrong lesson from it. And you're walking the same damn road. The same road people have been walking since Sumer and Akkad. Why don't you pick up a new book child, I've picked up many. The most misguided people I know are the one's that only read one book and think they understand the whole story.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fact that they targeted more than one ethnic group

If you were honest, you wouldn't be claiming that any group was "targeted", considering that there was no intent to cause a famine.

Explain it like my own family didn’t lose people in holodomor and many other acts of cruelty

Firstly, your relatives dying to an event does not magically confer you with knowledge about that event. Also, if that was an actual argument, you are welcome to explain similar things to people who have lost family due to the Lebensraum and the Holocaust, to invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., to the genocide of Palestine, to the ongoing famines caused by your empire, as well as to things like kidnapping children by the governments of Canada, Australia, the US, etc., and so on.
Secondly, if you have actual evidence for the famine being "an act of cruelty", i.e. being intentional, then you can present that evidence to the historians that study the famine for a living, as they have a very different view of the event.
Thirdly, claiming that you are "honest" but invoking the word "holodomor" and trying to claim that the famine of 1932 was a genocide is a bit amusing.