Can I get a smug lecture on how you're choosing the third, disconnected track?
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It is extremely naive if you can't tell the difference between the D and R policies on those issues. Just make a comparison of each of those between Biden and Trump. Just do it. Take a spreadsheet and compare. Do it. A column for each president, a row for each issue. In the corresponding field write what they did to each group. Go ahead. Do it. Stop bitching and look at the facts. Do it now.
Hey real quick, what does the word "functionally" mean? You people keep doing this thing where you construct a straw man for you to argue against, instead of relating to the actual argument at hand. OP did it, you do it. Why? You seem to feel so strongly you are correct, yet you can't even argue properly.
Nah, I'm not going to format something up for you, sorry. Facts of the matter are pretty clear too, though you can always fuck commas on a specific policy phrasing:
Here's a quick lazy one. There's plenty more with sources and more extensive variations, this was just the first I found of my own. I would put in more effort if it weren't for the fact that every time I do it gets ignored, so why bother? You people always just end up following the same playbook of ignoring the actual arguments presented; or you play obtuse and pretend you don't understand; or you go for some wack racist conspiracy-psychosis ad hominem about "russian bots"; or you construct some strawman position of the argument (like you're doing now).
You can go hunting for a bunch more comparisons of the democrats and republicans, done by leftists. You should do it. Actually do it, now. Instead of, you know, ordering up some spreadsheet, you could just go look for it. You won't though, because this thing you're doing now is easier, and it's more comfortable to stick your head in the ground and cover your ears (like the DNC did when they passed by protesters against palestinian genocide.)
A couple of quick facts for you.
I mean sure, Biden is not perfect, and you can point out to many bad things done during his administration. But these are objective, major issues that you will not be able to debunk.
In the US system you have a choice between kind of bad and really terrible. Don't fool yourself you can elect someone actually good (unless you can push someone like Bernie through the democrats).
See, this is why I said I didn't want to put in any more than the bare minimum of effort. You ignore what you get. You also fail to answer any questions yourself.
A war the democrats had likewise been pursuing.
Right, which is why I said functionally, because what Biden functionally did was pass a deal that gave a pittance to "renewable" energy, while mainly handing money over to cronies to be used as they liked, while he also handed out a bunch of new fracking contracts, the accumulated emissions from which are estimated to push us much further than the 1.5C hellscape we already live in. So while you get a cute little gesture towards something nice so you don't notice you're getting fucked, you're still getting fucked.
And Obama was the one to expand ICEs budgets and purview. And Biden was the one to deport more people than Trump 1. And Harris ran on being harsher on immigration than Trump. But that's not as flashy, so you don't care.
Just actual straight up genocide denial. Are you delusional or a zionist? Schools, hospitals, residential buildings, everything was flattened under Biden. Gaza was also being raided under Biden.
Yeah, he's functionally equivalent to Trump. A senile rapist geriatric who fucks the climate, kicks out immigrants, throws women and queer people under the bus, and salivates at the thought of giving Israel more weapons.
You do not have a choice in the US and the longer you remain within the confines of the blue/red dichotomy, the worse it gets.
My point this whole time has been this, let me be clear one more time: You will not get out of this dichotomy. You can only choose a kind of bad and terrible. Perhaps you're too young and haven't seen enough R's, but time will teach you. This is also the reason I don't feel like talking about how bad the dems are (when R's are objectively much much worse). The only way "out" is through someone like Bernie who captures the D-establishment, and even then he'd need a supermarjority everywhere to change the system. It's not happening.
But humor me, tell me who's your alternative now, and what chances to they have?
Defeatism, neat. Anyways, yes you can. Not by keeping the thing going though. Which is why I pointed out that, by your logic, one should vote third party. You're the one arguing for this. Personally, I realise the electoral system is completely fucked and the only thing you gain by voting democrat is normalising them and legitimising the system. But you don't. And, again, by your logic, one ought to vote third party.
Lmao, alright. I've been around long enough to know there's no difference, and seemingly longer than you, since you can't seem to remember what Obama did.
They objectively aren't.
Right... The only way out is through a party stooge who let himself get ratfucked twice, is a supporter of Israel and does whatever the dems need him to do. Buddy, you've been sheepdogged to hell.
Not to mention that it's not the only way out. You people keep acting as if voting (and specifically voting for democrats) is the only thing to do. You then also, once you've talked enough, come to admit that they suck just as much ass and are part of the same system republicans are part of, and by voting for them you only perpetuate the system. Yet, if someone points this out, you start screeching like you're an inquisitioner seeing a heretic.
To win this specific election right now? No one. But I'm capable of thinking longer term than that. You claim to, since you keep arguing about prolonging things and kicking the can down the road and so on, yet somehow any actual long-term plan makes you screech "THEY CANT DO EVERYTHING RIGHT THIS INSTANT!!!!" Yeah alright, let's vote for genociders, then.
Personally I am convinced the electoral system is so completely captured that if a viable third party would ever arise, then it would immediately be captured or crushed. Which would probably help make people realise they don't live in a democracy and need to organise outside the electoral system.
And yeah, that is the alternative - Organising outside the electoral system. Creating structures of power outside it, from which political resistance can grow.
Ah, a vague revolution that will one day solve everything. Fantastic.
In the mean time, please just vote a D. Any D. For the Iranian schoolgirl's sake. I've already laid out what Trump has done, and even before him the last R gave us a massive refugee crisis in Europe. So just vote against that while organizing your resistance, please.
Not at all what I was saying. You still haven't answered why you do this. You get answers to your questions and then instead of relating to the answers you make up something I (and others) haven't said, nor which can be concluded from what has been said. At this point I must conclude youre doing it on purpose and you're just a troll. This will therefore be my last response to you, unless you manage to act in good faith & answer my questions.
Ive already told you I won't vote for fascist genociders.
Absolute ghoul. You have absolutely no shame, do you?
Right, and I laid out why hes functionally the same as a dem. You decided to move right past it, and move right past me asking you why you do so.
You mean the one that came as a result from the colour revolutions and indescriminate drone bombings enacted under Obama? And the "crisis" youre talking about was more or less a manufactured media stunt. The actual numbers from that year show no dramatic increase in refugees. You probably know this, you are supporting fascists after all.