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[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Well yeah liberals value property more than human life. That's been true for all of liberalism. I'd say it's the core tenet of liberalism. For liberalism private property is the most sacred belief they have.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Don't forget order. Order is the other guiding principle of liberalism. Although I guess you could say that order exists to protect property. So maybe it's a 1B kind of thing.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

As a liberal, I'm gonna need these rules in a paper copy if you don't mind. Because I'm all for killing authoritarianism and budgening oppressors.... And I care little about my own private property in my pursuit to do those things.

Property can be replaced. Murdering your oppressors is forever.

I'm assuming you aren't a liberal? Or left of anything? On a scale of one to ten, how much do you love boots?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What private property do you have? Do you have like a factory or a own a forest or a mine or something? You sure you're not talking about personal property?

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

My house? My acres of farmland? My acres of forest I own? That property?

Yes, I do own part of a forest on my property.

Also for the record I'm not American. Your definition may vary wildly from mine.

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 0 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Are you sure you are a liberal? Cuz it sounds to me that you're way to the left of liberals. I could be wrong though. Maybe you are a liberal. Maybe you're one of that group of people that every single time it comes to supporting the the workers or supporting fascism you'll support fascism. Cuz that's what liberals do.

Liberals will always turn against the working class. We have 300 years of human history that backs this lesson up and I have no sympathy for people who have refused to learn from it.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Liberal has a completely different meaning in the US and has for about the last century. Wikipedia article on social liberalism in general and here's one on modern liberalism in the US, but if you don't want to read all that, here's an excerpt:

Modern liberalism in the United States emerged with Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal in the 1930s and is the prevailing version of liberalism in the country. It is most synonymous with the ideology known as social liberalism in much of the world, combining in the U.S. version elements of cultural liberalism, American progressivism, civil liberty and social equality with support for social justice and a mixed economy

and a bit later in the same article:

Economically, modern liberalism embraces a role for government to protect against market failures, ensure competition and prevent corporate monopolies, and supports labor rights through the strengthening of public- and private-sector labor unions, collective bargaining, unemployment insurance and minimum wage laws.

So I think perhaps you can see how the term means something completely different there. It's really closer to socdem than classical liberal.

And as a kicker, the US "conservative" party is economically liberal, whereas much of the "liberal" party is not (unfortunately much of the old guard there are more liberal rather than liberal).

TL;DR: Yes, the economic term "liberalism" means "let corpos do whatever the fuck". In the modern meaning of the word politically, it's more "all people are created equal and all deserve to be free".

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Ah the great lie of American politics. That Liberals are somehow different in America than the rest of the world. But it's funny. When you look at the things that American liberals vote for and support it sure seems like the exact same fucking things they do in the rest of the world doesn't it?

[–] Vincentmario@feddit.uk -1 points 15 hours ago

There is an enormous amount of evidence to disprove the idea that liberals will always support fascism. Fascism explicitly rejected liberal democracy, individual rights, and political pluralism. Liberals were among those persecuted by fascist regimes, and liberal democracies were instrumental in defeating said fascist regimes.

Never understood the lengths some Lemmy users go to describe liberalism in these ways. It's just as bad when people do the same thing towards ideologies such as communism