I told everyone on here that voting in Mark Carney was going to be a big mistake. I was right. Yet, there are still people on here saying "give him a chance, he's the best option we have". No. actually. He's not, and I see what happens when we "give him a chance"?? He fucks average Canadians over for the benefit of the rich.

They're stuck in this 80's Reagan-Thatcher-Mulroney era of neo-liberalism trickle down bullshit and they can't see outside that fucking box.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

What was the alternative? I would have loved to vote NDP, and usually do in local elections, but they stood no chance. I wasn't so much voting for Carney as against Poilievre.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Withhold your volunteering and donating to the liberals since they already get so much money from the rich consistently. They will always put their interests before everyday canadians.

Strategically vote if you have to and redirect your efforts to the independents, fairvote and smaller parties.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Who says I donate and volunteer??? I have never done that for any political party.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Okay, and Pollievre would be better?

Singh was completely cooked since the 2021 election, running him again and with such poor messaging was entirely the NDP’s fault. It was not fear-mongering.

Singh’s numbers had been publicly decreasing for years, he lost seats in past elections, and the NDP decided to run a ton of single issue candidates run whose whole platform was Palestine.

Meanwhile the party quietly did have a decent pro middle class platform, but didn’t really message that and got too caught up on how tax cuts also affect the rich (up to a very small amount of their income).

I’m sorry but there was only one choice this election. I would have loved a real NDP choice, they chose not to.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Maybe canada should stop preaching about human right values if they still support the longest standing occupation in the world. NPD platform was not about palestine only. Outside of the debate npd never talked about Palestine in the compaign

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Voting for the Conservatives was going to be an even bigger mistake.

No idea why you think the Liberals were the worst of the two options available.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We’re not a two-party system, champ.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Corruption and polarization thrives under two-party systems.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

First-past-the-post voting systems are inherently two-party.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you make them, sure. We have three major parties, and others as well. Of course, people constantly vote “strategically” which is a way they make themselves feel good about voting against their interests. No one would call it strategic voting if it was simply the vote that actually represented them.

The far-right party gets the crazies and racists and whatnot and the center-right party gets the “I have gay friends” centrists and whatever leftists they can scare and/or threaten into voting for them against the far-right party.

Vote for what is closest to your values or just don’t show up because at least then you’re not giving false-positive support for something you don’t want.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

The NDP is not currently a recognized party at all, let alone a "major" one. Or are you referring to the Bloc?

Vote for what is closest to your values or just don’t show up

That's the same picture if you're an NDP voter in most ridings in the last election. Watch the video, it's very short and explains the problem quite well.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's more than two options. This isn't the U.S.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Only two parties were realistically capable of forming a government in that election. One was led by Carney, the other by Pollievre.

You're saying going with the Carney option was a "big mistake?"

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

You know minority governments are a thing though, right? I keep saying it in every comment here. Even a conservative minority with a strong NDP to keep it in check and demand compromises would've been better. At least there would've been a socialist influence.

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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean what choice did we have? we didn't. It was either a conservative in a liberal furry suit, A wanna-be apple munching trump, or a guy that has never had an original thought pass through his head.

We were fucked. we realized we were fucked. And we decided the fake liberal was the way to go. Canadian politics are so fucked our choices are conservative, ultra conservative, or a weak wannabe democrat party.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's a third, even fourth option. A strong NDP in a minority government would've gone a long way.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago

In a minority Liberal government, perhaps. I don't see a Conservative minority government being particularly interested in working with the NDP.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Lmao it's not fucking horrible, you just used the outrage machine and found people outraged by it. Congratulations, social media is toxic.

Read coverage of it from actual informed people, not dumbass YouTubers.

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