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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ugh, I'm one of those people who will defend imperial as not being irrational, just built ad-hoc for purposes that aren't in alignment with modern ones and ... No, that's not what Fahrenheit is.

Fahrenheit was trying to make a temperature scale that was easy to recreate to ease the calibration of thermometers. Zero is a temperature that can be created in your garage with some ice, salt and water. 100 was his best, ultimately inaccurate, attempt to measure human body temperature, since it's another easy calibration point, and from there water was defined as 32 and 212 so that they were 180 degrees apart, which would fit will on a temperature dial.
Not irrational, not a comfort scale, and not in alignment with current needs.

It's pure coincidence that it kinda lines up with comfortable outdoor temperatures in the opinion of a good chunk of a population living in the northern part of the western hemisphere.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

i've never understood how people imagine an easier scale to calibrate than celsius, what is easier than freezing and boiling water??

Human body temperature isn't an easy calibration point, are you gonna shove it up your ass to calibrate it, or what?

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Well, first off he wasn't actually doing it after Celsius existed as a temperature scale. He made it a solid 18 years beforehand.
Second, there are some issues. Specifically, ice freezes at 0, but it doesn't stop getting colder. So if you have a bit of ice, that doesn't tell you the temperature, just that it's below a threshold. Boiling is more convenient because liquid water can't get above 100, but you do have to consider side pressure.
Fahrenheit used brine because as it freezes it forces salt out of the ice, making it more resistant to freezing. It self stabilizes its temperature, which is immensely handy.

None of the people designing their scales envisioned that using the basic reference points for common calibration would be a thing. Just like how we don't calibrate them with brine, ice, steam or butts today, instead relying on how we marked down how electrical resistance changes as a function of temperature and then calibrated reference numbers to get the scale right.

It's important to remember that the people in the past were largely not stupid, they simply hadn't found out something we take for granted or they had priorities that we don't.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 76 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Americans using the word propaganda for "something I don't understand because my school system failed me so now I overcompensate by making up factoids that make me look even more uneducated by the rest of the world"

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[–] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Every day I learn that people are even dumber than I previously thought.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It is kind of nice waking up, having a bad day or something, but then I'm reminded "At least I'm not that fucking stupid.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 11 points 6 days ago (4 children)

My eye is twitching just reading this. I wonder how I survived 110 percent hot days.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I worked retail for a decade. There is no bottom to the barrel. There are people driving around in cars who genuinely shouldn't be left unsupervised with metal utensils.

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[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

100% hot by what understanding? If I set my oven to 100F, the peak of heat by this memes reckoning, that roast chicken is going to kill my family.

If I run a warm bath at 50F, the medium-est of heats, My testicles are going to implode faster than a billionaire in a homemade submarine when they touch the water.

If we are talking human comfort, then 50F is also way too cold to be considered “50% hot”.

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

No, but seriously, babe, the whole Imperial system gets a bad rap...

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[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 41 points 6 days ago (6 children)

You guys are too ignorant to see how full of shit OP is.

50F is not 50% hot, it's cold. If your house was 50F you'd be saying "something is wrong with my HVAC". You'd never heat to only 50, and you'd never cool that far. It's cellar temperature (colder than a wine cellar, warmer than a root cellar).

70F is 50% hot. It's a temp you'd cool to in the summer, and a temp you'd heat to in the winter.

100F isn't 100% hot either, most people enjoy a hottub to be a little hotter.

Tldr: OP is wrong

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

50 degrees feels pretty fucking warm when i get out of the below zero walk in

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[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Celsius is the perfect system to describe how hot or cold it is, assuming you're a water molecule.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 31 points 6 days ago (5 children)

People are mostly water, no? Makes perfect sense then.

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[–] vaderaj@lemmy.world 55 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How is freezing cold, 32% hot? What am I missing here?

[–] offspec@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Because I can still walk to the mailbox in shorts at 32

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[–] farfalla@jlai.lu 29 points 6 days ago (10 children)
[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 18 points 6 days ago (16 children)

At what temperature does a normal body boil

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Boiling isn't the way to do it, roasting will bring out the flavor much more nicely.

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[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 8 points 6 days ago

At 100%, obviously

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[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (5 children)

i tell them i use a 100 hour clock. Day starts at 0 at ends at 100. They see how much better it is and they have an existential crisis. And then everyone clapped

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[–] nathanjent@programming.dev 17 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I'm 98.6° Greg. Am I hot?

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Celsius is percentage boiling.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I use a binary thermometer. 1 is hot, 0 is cold.

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (5 children)

ITT: Water requires over double of all the hot just to boil.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Just in case because this is the internet at the end of the day. Fahrenheit is not linked to a percentage of anything. It's mostly arbitrary in terms of assigning a number scale to temperature and it's linked to brine solutions and human body temperature.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago

The only temperature system that isn't arbitrary would tell you how spreadable butter is. Zero degrees butter is utterly not spreadable while 100 degrees butter is the maximum spreadability it could achieve before melting.

[–] tino@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Get your ass outside at 0ºC and I guarantee you it's 0% hot.

[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

32F is sweater weather.

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[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm in Finland. I sometimes say stuff like "oh it's -30°C today. It's getting just a little bit nippy."

A friend of mine in California is like "Jesus Christ what are you talking about" and yes, he can convert that

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 days ago

Ummmm? Well technically you can describe celsius as 0 being 0% boiling and 100 being 100% boiling with water. And it actually works pretty well because the hotter it is, the more it evaporates. Tho pretty sure its not linear and also thats a stupid way of saying it anyways.

[–] Gobbel2000@programming.dev 13 points 6 days ago (9 children)

We need to collectively realize that both Celsius and Fahrenheit are mostly arbitrary and not more than practical conventions to assign numbers to temperatures. Kelvin makes more sense but is impractical for daily use. It's just US-Americans distracting from the fact that most of their units are objectively bad compared to Metric by pointing out that Celsius is only marginally better.

[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If only there was a way to tie Kelvin to some naturally occurring, everyday phenomena

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[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Of the two, Celsius is less arbitrary because it is based on actual measurable reproducible things and not "we threw in some salts in water, and guesstimated a human body temperature". It also makes a lot of sense in our post-industrial society because we do/don't want to freeze/boil water almost every day for a variety of uses. Water is both an extremely important substance for humans and its freezing/boiling points occur in everyday life (unlike air or metals).

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Kelvin is the most logical. That's why I measure all time by seconds since January 1, 1970

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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

Hot take: the best temperature scale would have 0º be water freeze point and 100º be human body temp. Fahrenheit is already supposed to be that but nobody gives a shit about a saline solution freeze point and they fucked up the human body temp.

[–] Luccus@feddit.org 12 points 6 days ago (18 children)

I propose the body temperature of an average opossum as the fixed point for 100 because they are cute as heck. We shall call this unit Possigrade. And anything above 100 Possigrade should be called the 'rabies zone' and 0 Possigrade should correspond to 8°C, as this feels very cold when dressed inappropriately. In addition, there is now the Bakers Possigrade, where 100 corresponds to 27°C, as this is the temperature at which sourdough bread rises by about ⅓ in 5.5 hours.

But seriously: Celsius is fine. On Earth, we are primarily interested in water at atmospheric pressure. Too many things contain water (pipes, food, paint, etc) and they react differently at 0 °C than at 4 °C. For this reason, we deliberately avoid using water in applications that are regularly exposed to sub-zero temperatures. Water is simply everywhere, so 0 °C and 100 °C are important tipping points for general use.

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[–] akfdmfckwrl@feddit.dk 12 points 6 days ago (8 children)

In that case, you should change the scale to match how hot/cold it actually gets outside. In many parts of the world, and even in North America, it regularly goes below 0F or above 100F.

"How hot it feels" is highly subjective. I would absolutely melt at 100F but feel fine at 0F, and nothing feels colder than those rainy windy days when it's 5C outside.

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