And then also no more money for ICE after that.
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God fucking damn it it's always the same shit.
Republicans push some absolute bullshit to 10.
Democrats: We need to be reasonable and go back to 6!
Where is the party that says we need to go back to zero bullshit!
Been saying it for a long time now, we gotta primary every last DNC member holding a seat. They're all either complicit or neutered to the point of uselessness.
I love Bernie but this obviously isn't his fight. He's been about economics for like, 400 years, and just economics and it's fine, but he's not going to lead us out of fascism. He needs to go rest and enjoy retirement.
The DNC is a container full of rotten old money and establishment-preserving collaborators with the GOP. We pour the container out, freshen it up with some new contents.
I agree - but also, if anyone in congress deserves the benefit of the doubt, I'd say it's Sanders. I think the first major step back off this ledge is probably restoring the status quo. If we started on the exact best path forward tomorrow, I'm not sure it would START with abolishing ICE. It would start by utterly neutering them first, then dismantling them after eliminating their internal ability to resist, because we both know it'll be a loud and painful process no matter what.
only way thats happening is if guns come out
Or, we finally use our most powerful means of non-violent offense: a proper, long-term, Nation Wide General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor, allowing us to simply ignore the democrats and their lack of spine, and instead demand real changes (abolishing ICE should be towards the top of the list).
That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
There are some concrete steps all of us can take toward enacting that hard-core general strike to make it more viable and bearable for us all. (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
As we're seeing, deadly violence is being used against us and it will only continue. It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you'll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven't already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other's problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We've been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn't only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don't want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for an even longer General Strike! 💪
If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.
- 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
- 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
- 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
- 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
- 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
- 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
- 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
- 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
- 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
- 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
- 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We'll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don't have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you'll need to scroll down. I'd add it here, but it won't fit in this comment).
I'd also highly recommend Full Spectrum Resistance to anyone who wants further info on how to resist.
This is the one and now more of you are saying it.
This is the only way.
So the issue is not ICE, but who's managing ICE.
That's basically same as saying that the nazis were just following orders.
The issues, Bernie, are both who's managing ICE and ICE itself. ICE are terrorists, you can't just say that you will give money to ICE if they remove those two assholes ignoring all the shit each ICE agent has done so far, Bernie.
I think you missed the part where he wants drastic reform within the agency on top of axing the ghouls running it. He's much more likely to succeed politically with those types of demands than just straight up defunding the entire thing.
Can we stop pretending that compromising with the fascist institutions is the correct political move? Why? Why are people so stuck in the Obama mindset? It was and is a complete failure.
More Americans support abolishing ICE than oppose it!.
It is absolutely the right political move to abolish it. It's an institution younger than most Americans. Stop this "it's the right political move" bull shit. The American public does not agree with you.
Sadly, politics, in this case, is not among the voters; it's among the senate. It's a bunch of old fucks who are not going to vote for defunding ICE, no matter what. They may be convinced that temporary defunding is good, and we know the regime isn't going to compromise, so its as good as any other defunding functionally.
Sure, for the other senators, defunding would be the right move for them politically. Sanders already agrees with us. He's on the right side of politics for the voters. He just has to play the game the best way he can to get things done, which is not to go with the most extreme position even if that's the most supported by voters.
SS troops door knocking and asking for papers and liberals are still talking about "playing the game". I can't. I can't take this level of delusion.
We need a massive political movement to fix what the federal government has become. One that at this point is literally hitting the brink of armed conflict. There is no "playing the game". The game is over. The Republicans know this and the Democrats are the only ones still playing it.
The point of Bernie not compromising on what needs to be done is to SHOW that the political system is a failure. Seriously, are you still thinking ICE will be reformed with Trump as president? What is the point of starting from a compromised position that literally only serves the purpose of creating a zero substance bill that will only serve as another illusion of democracy working?
Seriously. There is nothing Bernie should be doing but calling balls and strikes. He use to do that. Now, he is an old man that is in denial of the institutions he spent his whole life defending falling apart around him. He is "playing the game" when the game is over. And it's only serving as a means for people like you to think the umpires are still there.
So the issue is not ICE, but who’s managing ICE.
You can say that about any organization. If the Nazis had been run by Rosa Luxemberg, they wouldn't be the Nazis. They'd be a totally different thing.
But we've been staffing ICE with ice chewing psychos for decades. I don't believe a reformist bureaucrat can lead ICE. The organization's rank-and-file would rebel, in the same way the CIA rebelled under Kennedy and the FBI rebelled under Obama.
The issues, Bernie, are both who’s managing ICE and ICE itself. ICE are terrorists, you can’t just say that you will give money to ICE if they remove those two assholes ignoring all the shit each ICE agent has done so far, Bernie.
Even the most left-wing Democrats are still convinced that an organization dedicated to terrorizing migrant workers and extra-judicially deporting Enemies of the State is too popular to dismantle. That's a bleak prospect for the nation's future.
IMO, immigration control in general is stupid. IDC where you're from or how you come to live here. Just pay the taxes to contribute to the community and those in need. Enforce it through the IRS like any other citizen. Abolish ICE entirely.
Not another penny for ICE ~~until Kristi Noem, Stephen Miller are gone~~
I'm so sick of dems. Fuck you. Not another penny ever.
Sanders is an independent
While it is cathartic to think taking these people out of their position is punishing them, the reality is they will be replaced with another Nazi.
If Trump had been assassinated it would not have stopped this. If Hitler had been assassinated the Nazi would have fought on. This situation is no different.
It is a sobering and necessary realization that this whole administration isn't a one-off. This is a part of who we are.
You could have stopped that sentence earlier and had more of my support
They'll just put someone else equally terrible in. No funding for ice until Trump and the GOP are goneffs.
Yeah. Getting rid of Noem would be great, but she's just doing what Trump wants. She's a symptom, not the disease.
And I suspect Miller would still have Trump's ear even if he wasn't officially employed by the US government.
The whole regime has to go.
That is setting the bar far too low. It’s buried, Bernie. You buried the fucking bar.
At least he has a clear demand, but he should be calling for the abolition of ICE and prosecution of every criminal order given or carried out.
The moderate wing of fascism in action.
Bernie says the right things, but people only see this:

The billionaire owned media WANT people to only see that
How about never.
Shitty president = more sadistic tools put in their place. It’s not going to get better.
The only non pos senator.
Name one other, go ahead, we can look at them handing rifles to settlers in israel at a minimum, looking at you oregon.
I wish he was like 20 years younger so you could expect him to be around longer
There also has to be prosecutions and consequences for the murders.
God, what an asshole. They drove Sanders to the right too?
How 'bout not another penny for ICE, because we need to ABOLISH ICE.