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[–] cyclonedusk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 16 hours ago

I would rather not resort to inflicting death in order to protect my neighbors from being brutalized by fascist thugs.

It would be objectively better if they could be disinvited from interacting with the sane members of humanity nonviolently.

But unfortunately, right wingers have a tendency to jump immediately to the conclusion of violence to further their goals of setting up the means to do even more violence.

I want nonviolence.

But sometimes i just don't get to have what i want.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like cope.

How about, "In a society unable to correct injustice through formal systems, informal systems must be used."

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

How is 'I can do bad thing to bad man cuz bad man is bad' anything other than a bad person using circular logic to justify their actions? Especially when the speaker is supposed to be Light fucking Yagami?

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

I don't know the anime context, but it seems like a criticism of Luigi-types.

Violence is a very effective tool for social change and maintenance--for good or ill. One can advocate for violence without claiming any moral superiority and instead purely on the likely outcomes of that act of violence.

[–] runner_g@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

Light Yagami is the protagonist of the show/manga Death Note. basic premise is that he finds a magic notebook that will cause the death of anyone whose name is written in the book. He begins by only killing those who "deserve" it, but as they say "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

So, this may be some meme shit I'm missing — but how exactly is circular logic anything other than a self report on the OP? You must understand that this is not a serious post based on the verbiage, right?

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago

Fucked if I know, man, I'm just doing reader response.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Utilitarian violence

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Whatever. This whole bleeding heart wounded puppy shtick. "Don't be violent to bad people cause it will make you bad.."

Ok? Then...I'm a bad person. I'm a bad person who believes in equal rights for LGBT+, POC, women, and everyone under every goddamn banner that has been suppressed.

Fine. I'll take that as a compliment. Im a bad guy for human equality. I'll shank you to secure my best friend's freedom to be with his husband.

You are literally saying to be peaceful with a group that wants to kill you and would prefer you did the peaceful thing cause you think that will stop them, but to them all they see am easy target...

I mean, who would you rather have Bad guys who believe in equality for all And giving people a chance to go further because our government would actually take care of them

Or

Bad guys who hate you for your pigment Want to get rid of all Gays Wipe out groups of different cultures from the face of the planet. Force women into servitude. Pry into every crevice of our lives. Tell us who we can and can't vote for. Invade all brown countries Betray our allies.

I mean, I don't know about you... but I know what bad guy I'm going with..

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You are literally saying to be peaceful with a group that wants to kill you and would prefer you did the peaceful thing cause you think that will stop them, but to them all they see am easy target...

Crazy, because what I said is that this is a bad person using circular logic to justify doing bad things. Was Luigi's reasoning circular? No, he was personally fucked over by United Health care and killed their CEO as a result. Nothing circular about that, there's a very clear train of events that lead to his killing of Brian Thompson. Was it the right move? Who knows! But cutting the head off the snake that bit you is very clear cause and effect.

If you need to employ circular logic in order to justify your actions then your actions aren't justified. The logic in the post results in kids being killed because their parents were 'insert ideology here'. Logic like this is actually far more indicative of your average conservative voter than it is anything.

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Blah blah blah. So many of you talk so fancy like. "It circular logic!" "That's how a conservatives act..."

God, you're tiring. I ain't gonna kill no kid. But their parents who preach hate and carry out acts of violence? Nah, no quarter given.

I mean I'm honestly convinced that most of you who preach this b.s have never dealt with the true to the core nazis.

You are talking to a white dude who used to be a part of it. I only got out of it by the skin of my teeth. But most of em? They don't care about your circular logic. They don't care that you are right. They just wanna kill you.

Kill you. Like what part of that don't you get? Do you talk to rabid dog? Or do you put it down? Do you go "this is a circular thing, and if we don't stop this act of violence, we are no better than the dog infected with rabies!"

And before you say it. No I'm not saying we should wipe out anyone conservative. But they need to know that their acts of violence against those them deem weaker than them will no be tolerated and be met with equal or if not more violence.

Stop actin like violence never solved shit. It's solved plenty. It's people who hesitate constantly and tell everyone else to never pick up arms against our oppressors that make violence useless.

Dealing with family and personal shit? Yea violence is bad.

Fighting against a regime of people who would love to see you raped and torn apart? Violence seems pretty logical to me.

But that's just me dude.

I really got no problem with ya, I just don't agree with you. I don't think I ever will honestly.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 minutes ago

Blah blah blah. So many of you talk so fancy like. "It circular logic!" "That's how a conservatives act..."

God, you're tiring. I ain't gonna kill no kid. But their parents who preach hate and carry out acts of violence? Nah, no quarter given.

And before you say it. No I'm not saying we should wipe out anyone conservative. But they need to know that their acts of violence against those them deem weaker than them will no be tolerated and be met with equal or if not more violence.

Yeah this is how I know you have very little knowledge of history, and subsequently very little knowledge of what you're talking about. Go ahead and educate yourslef on the Hatfields & McCoys and blood feuds then come back to this topic.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 21 hours ago

I didn't see the show, but your claim of circular logic isn't even accurate. If it was "they were murdered because they were bad and you can tell they're bad because they were murdered" that'd be circular. In this case maybe your concern is hypocrisy or double standards, but "I can do bad thing to bad man cuz bad man is bad" is the cornerstone of our justice system.

[–] Insekticus@aussie.zone 0 points 19 hours ago

Also bad person using circular logic to redirect consequences away from themselves. Fuck OP.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 10 points 23 hours ago

Those who make peaceful redress impossible will make violence inevitable. Such has always been true. It didn't have to be this way, but it has become abundantly clear that those we used to call brothers and countrymen have decided, immutably, that our survival is incompatible with theirs. They speak of compromise, but by compromise they mean surrender and extinction. They consider us monsters, evil incarnate. They are lost to us. We have no choice but to prepare for the inevitable, and prepare hard because our survival depends on our ability to organize and mobilize resources. Pray for peace. Prepare for the worst.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 22 hours ago

If by "bad person" you mean someone who helps kill millions and oppressed millions more then yes violently stopping them is not just okay but good.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

The idea that good people do good things and bad people do bad things is embarrassing for anyone over 14 to believe. Theft, murder, and rape are actions, not a race, destiny, or personality type.

Jimmy Savile seemed like a really nice guy you know.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

My violent murder fantasies are the sign of a healthy mind, unlike their violent murder fantasies. What? You shouldn't fantasize about murdering your enemies? Why are you defending them??? You sound like an enemy!

[–] stepan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

fascists should be violently murdered. otherwise, they'll murder millions including kids in their fascist wars, destroy the lives of billions, and eventually destroy the whole planet.

so yes. they are bad people and good people should wish them death.

[–] stepan@lemmy.cafe -2 points 23 hours ago

this post sounds like someone is still mad about charlie kirk