Shooting at fleeing suspects is absolutely not legal without actual articulable facts that they pose a threat to the public. This isn't even a legal defense.
this post was submitted on 14 Jul 2026
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I mean, this administration has made it very clear that ICE gets to call the shots and declare whatever they want. There is no oversight. That's on purpose.
It would seem they are training the public to fight for their lives when ICE comes knocking. At some point ICE thugs will be ran over, shot, or stabbed if they keep doing this shit. Or maybe we'll just roll over and let them walk all over us, murder us in the streets, and be sent to die in a concentration camp.
I think that's on purpose. When people recognize ICE is just as likely to murder them as arrest them, then they'll start fighting back.
Once people start fighting back, the administration can use that as justification to declare things like insurgencies and national emergencies.
Also, their propaganda works a lot better on morons when they can show their noble and loyal ~~gestapo~~ ~~pedophile protectors~~ police being attacked by ~~people defending themselves against tyrants~~ evil bad people.
I think it's quite clear at this point that DHS agents are being told/trained that ANY moving vehicle is automatically a threat to their lives or the public simply by the nature of it being a moving vehicle.
In Germany a few years ago, police shot a fleeing non-violent weed dealer in the back of the head, instantly killing him. It was in a residential area, and the bullet flew right past a playing kid, iirc.
It was ruled a good shooting, as it would not be acceptable for the public safety to risk that he might have gotten away.
oh horrible weed, what ever will the public do if those horrible weed heads...checks notes...sit on their couch playing video games and eat too many chips
You see, they were so concerned about the damage that a single (allegedly) illegal immigrant could cause to the community that they had to act immediately.
Even it were legal, it's still incredibly stupid. Shooting the driver turns a controlled vehicle into an uncontrolled vehicle, which is way more dangerous. You're basically guaranteeing that the car is going to hit something or someone and cause collateral damage.
"An officer discharged his weapon"..."The driver of the vehicle was struck"
Quite intentionally using passive voice in that second statement as if the officer didn't intend to shoot the victim. This is murder.
The passive voice is actually common in police reports throughout the United States. This is not new. (The passive voice is also a bad habit of journalists who report on officer-involved violence.)
The difference now is that the state agents are loyal to the regime rather than the state. There's not even a pretense of enforcing the law.
Police and their renfields need to be killed. There's no other way. We've tried everything else, there is no peaceful resolution and their violent escalation will never stop. You aren't safe while there are pigs loose in your city, even if you're a rich whote man-modern architecture isn't made to stop bullets.
Using the word "anymore" implies there was a time we could trust them. I feel this creates a false narrative.
That statement had nothing to do with trust. “Anymore” simply says that they used to try to cover the murders up but now they don’t even bother.
Edit: person above was referring to the post title and not the content. My bad.
I believe the comment you're responding to was referring to OP's post title, not the comment in the post that was responding to the DHS statement
To be honest I didn’t even read the post title, just the content. Headlines and post titles are always sensationalized or outright fabrications and I rarely read them.
So yeah, I agree with GP in that case.
It began operations on March 1, 2003, after being formed as a result of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, enacted in response to the September 11 attacks.
It's wild how long ago it seems, but there has been extreme distrust in the DHS since the beginning, when it was clear that 9/11 was used to expand surveillance capabilities of the state.
Osama bin Laden won. Who would have thought it would have taken so little to topple the American Empire?
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Remember kids! The only purpose of police throughout history is to protect the property and wealth of the owning class. This is one way they achieve that goal.
Every single egalitarian society had no cops
Genuinely curious, do you have an example of this? The only ones I could find were very small scale.
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Not even putting in the effort to lie convincingly. The final insult.
Nah. The final result is when they don't bother to lie.
"Yes, we shot him for no reason. Now shut the fuck up or you're next."
Give it a few more months.
How people haven't started shooting back i don't understand.
truly. they will likely intensify their efforts if we do, but the only other option we have is to keep rolling over and allowing it.
I can't prove this, but I suspect they have some way of finding out who has a firearm, so they can avoid that person.
I also suspect, but cannot prove, that the media will hide it when one of them gets shot. I say this because one of them got hit by a car and it wasn't nationwide news served up by tearful news anchors about this innocent agent who would never hurt a fly.
I can't prove this, but I suspect they have some way of finding out who has a firearm, so they can avoid that person.
Nah someone carrying a "gun" just gives them a legal reason to shoot someone. Case in point Alex Pretti, Philando Castile, Daniel Shaver, Stephon Clark, Tamir Rice, etc. If an officer suspects you might be thinking about shooting then they can legally kill you.
We're already pretty close to open civil war. Might as well rip the bandaid off and get it over with i guess. I'd rather not, but that's the way things seem to be going.
They might intensify their efforts a little faster than they would have otherwise, but I guarantee you they will intensify their efforts either way.
For starters its suicide. The law -- insomuch as it ever protected citizens-- flies right out the window if anyone shoots at or near a cop. And cops tend to get away with whatever they want.
If they're going to kill you anyway, seems like fighting back is better than just letting them do it.
Maybe if I give them a hug they will cry and drop their weapons?
They look like they need a hug don't they? Wish me luck.
For starters its suicide.
They're killing you anyway. May as well take a few of em with you.
You only need to see the number of all the "Back the Blue" bumper stickers to understand. A lot of us are conditioned to bow down to cops no matter what the facts of a situation are.
If I was going about my daily life with a 3 year old in the back I wouldn't be too interested in getting into a shootout either.
But I agree, I'm waiting for a shoe to drop here, how much more tense can it be?
From another article...
A witness told the Portland Press Herald that he heard gunshots, then saw an SUV attempting to “ram a small white car in the intersection” before agents in vests stopped the white car and pulled the man from the vehicle. Before he died, the victim was “bleeding profusely from the head,” that witness said. “He was talking. He said, ‘I tried to stop.’”
Another witness told the Press Herald that the victim’s family was apparently at the scene of the shooting. As the man lay on the street, an “older woman” was present “with a distressed family,” including a toddler—a little girl in Bluey pajamas. “You took her dad, you took her dad!” the woman yelled.
Perhaps, people who are in "fear" of everything, even as someone flees, should not have access to any kind of weapon, or sharp or long objects, for that matter. They should wear mittens.
In padded rooms. Yes.
There's basically no reality in which I ever have a fragment of faith in this country again if ICE traitors aren't held accountable for their crimes the next time we have adults in charge.
So I'm gearing up to hate this shithole for the rest of my life, cuz I seriously doubt that's going to happen.
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lies have been SOP for the trump machine since day one. to expect otherwise is nice but ultimately fruitless
Lies have been SOP for the ~~trump~~ american machine since day one.
The novel thing about the "trump machine" is the complete lack of effort and utter sloppiness of it.
yes indeed
They weren't happy about it either but when they spun their "excuse wheel", that's what came up.
This is what happens when you have a man in charge with a double first name and a prior boss who had a cuckold bed on her private government funded jet. Trump is a genital wart on the American people.
celibacy, lack of accountability, racism and machismo are a helluva drug. And the media helping out by using the passive voice for the officers murder of that man is disgusting. What happened to journalism in the US.
snowballs chance they will investigate this either, same as with Renee Good and the other 6 or so people.
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