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[–] HairEater@thelemmy.club 5 points 19 hours ago

The funny thing is it can't do white collar jobs either.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 3 points 18 hours ago

Ah don't worry. With robots we're getting there.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I implore young people to get into ai resistant fields and push for a return to basics and inefficiency.

I'm almost 49 and my exit plan from my corporate job is to have a small farm just big enough that it can be run simply with man power alone and then market to a premium.

Humans are not meant to be machines. Inefficiency needs to be valued more than it is.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Have you ever grown a tomato successfully and eaten it?

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing beats a garden tomato. It really is hard to eat store bought produce once you have grown it yourself and it is so much better tasting.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

Well yes, but I was thinking more about fantasy vs reality.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It can’t draw dicks and write racial slurs all over the Porto potties with sharpie either

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Increasingly, they're trying to get it to design the building.

I'm having to double-check credentials in my plan reviews because contractors have started turning in plans with AI-generated architect and engineering stamps because they don't want to pay a professional to prepare their plans.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How can they use AI for an engineering review? Wouldn't an actual licensed engineer have to sign off on the building?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I work for the city. Contractors are faking stamps to pretend there's an engineer to get a permit.

Lots of municipalities are overloaded and they'll just accept a stamp and approve the project. I do not. We review the engineering.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

can you fine those who fake official stamps?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Not really. We can refuse to issue the permits.

If it were to slip by us and the house fail, even then it's difficult. Almost everything in my city is custom spec homes for the mega-rich, and the developers set up an LLC just for building the one house and dissolve the company as soon as the house sells.

What I've learned doing development review for houses being sold to billionaires is that contractors will try to do cheap, shitty, unsafe work no matter how rich the client is.

[–] Chaotic_Altruist@lemmy.zip 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Fascinating. Insane, but it makes sense in today's economy. Thanks for sharing

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago

It’s one of the big issues that capitalists continually overlook. In most states starting an LLC is nothing. My state it’s like $800 and a 1 page form plus getting a tax id (free and another 1 page form). There’s tons of shitty contractors that will start an LLC, do garbage work and get trashed online, then just fold it and start a new one every 6-12 months. Then if you need warranty work or whatever it’s like “oh sorry, company went under”. But the illusion of the small business being viable means this loophole will never be patched

You can and should check licenses and not hire unlicensed workers, but even that is almost impossible now as many contractors are licensed but never do any real work, they just come out, assess your issue, and then hire subcontractors for a couple hundred bucks per day. Your $30,000 roof replacement is like $1-2k in wages to workers, 8-10k in materials, and $20k to line the pockets of the fat shit “running the show” so he can keep up on the lease payments for his 4 million dollar house and 110k ford f150 that’s never seen a day of work

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No one wants to pay anymore

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Part of the problem is corporations have squeezed so much money out of all our systems that there is none left unless you start cutting corners. So that is what people will do.

[–] PacketPilgrim@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As AI improves it will program hand like robotics or tool attachments to be able to do this work. This is in the pipeline. They already have workers in China, Indonesia, Vietnam and others wearing cams to capture what they do with their hands so it can be consumed and replicated by AI. It's only a matter of time. Then there is the replication of an issue we already had. Everyone is going into trades now same as everyone went into colleges before. Long term it will lead to surplus workers in that given field. Best thing to do is be agile and willing to learn and adapt as things shift. Link: https://deepmind.google/blog/gemini-robotics-2-brings-whole-body-intelligence-to-robots/

[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the 1950s, Isaac Asimov predicted that eventually, nearly everything on Earth would be automated, leading to mass unemployment. He then predicted that the "excess population" would move to other star systems, which served 3 purposes: reducing unemployment on earth, providing a meaningful existence for the extrasolar colonists, and spreading humanity throughout the galaxy.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We always think of not working as something negative, we should desire not having to work and machines giving us the opportunity to do so. But the system is scuffed and capitalism works against us rather than for us.

We need a new system where it's the goal to automate everything and then we only have to work a few hours a week and spend the rest with our loved ones, getting good at a hobby, enjoying life, singing dancing creating art all the fun stuff.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Well, there's livelihood and work, and so far no one has exactly inspired confidence that the current labor class will receive a livelihood. We've let systems solidify that basically demand that the labor class have some semblance of leverage to participate in the benefits. So far the practical result has been that the hypothetical scenario erases that leverage, while avoiding any concessions that may win over the people that would be screwed over. It's nice to hand wave and say "some new system", but without more concrete things to look at, there is the risk of "well, let's remove the labor leverage and just assume that the utopian outcome results instead of the dystopian".

One thing that concerns me is that a common short story held up as an example of awesome utopia brought on by post-scarity due to AI is "Manna". The plight of the dystopian half is very plausible, but the "utopian" half has a lot of problems in mechanism of how it happened and issues when "realized". If even in fiction we can't make a convincing narrative that lands in an unambiguous utopia, then my hopes for reality is pretty low.

So I guess in short, I agree with your sentiment, but too pessimistic to see the upside being realized and afraid that the optimisim around the upside results in rationalizing the downsides.

[–] quarkquasar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'd be fine with that, as long as there was some academic aspect involved.

A bunch of idiots doing nothing for a long time isn't going to accomplish much of anything.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

And even worse, one of the thing they desperately try to automate is the arts and the humanities...

[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago

How about instead of automating everything to use machines that require electricity, maintenance and resources that wreck the planet, we make it so people worldwide only need to work four days out of the week at most while still being able to afford hobbies, holidays, and luxury items such as food that isnt poison.

[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 58 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It was supposed to cure cancer and other diseases, not make us homeless and surveil us.

[–] polotype@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"It" is very ill defined. The AI they are selling you was never supposed to cure cancer. It was meant to make money. The AI which cures cancers is of a completely different kind than LLMs and media generation. And it does not have any of the same drawbacks nor any of the same funding despite it's far greater usefulness.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Funny thing, right now federal funding is hyper focused on AI because the people who bought Trump expect a return on their money. The things is, the people on the federal side more or less fall into two camps- political appointees who know nothing about anything and old guards who know that "AI" has been around for decades in various forms. This is creating fun situations where a funding opportunity might as well read "please find a way for fElon to make money using AI", but they never specify "LLMs" so submitting a neural network or machine learning proposal fits the guidelines. Time will tell how that plays out.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 115 points 2 days ago (8 children)

In spite of the demonstration videos of robots running and jumping and carrying boxes and slowly sorting packages, none of them are anywhere close to being ready to handle construction jobs, or most manufacturing jobs. And, they can't design or make the machines that automate the processes.

It's a billionaire's dream that this is happening now, it's not. One of the major hurdles is power consumption, as we're all seeing while they build out these "data centers". Robots and computers cannot match the efficiency and self-sufficiency of a human. In a picture:

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 64 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Yep. I work in prosthetics, people tend to overestimate current battery technology and underestimate how much energy it takes to move around a couple hundred pounds.

Even with batteries that cost a small fortune, we haven't been able to create a lower limb powered prosthetic that can keep up with the human body for more than a couple hours.

There's a lot of hype about the humanoid robotics coming out of China, but most everything is just marketing science fiction. Once you factor in the initial cost, power consumption for processing data, multiple batteries per unit, and the massive amount of general maintenance...... It becomes pretty apparent that things aren't going to pan out anytime soon.

I build limbs out of reinforced carbon fiber and titanium and even those acquire a ton of wear in a relatively small amount of time. Any bipedal robot with plastic parts, made to do intensive labour is going to start falling apart almost immediately. The human body takes a ton of damage throughout the day as well, but it's self repairing.

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[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Nurses.

Watch nurses next time you're in hospital. They do 8 million things, unprompted, throughout their day. Robots would blow their power load and collapse if they had to do a tenth the things nurses do.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think the plan is to replace nurses with just letting people die instead.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was at enough construction sites to know it would be quite trivial to automate at least laying bricks with some programmable robots. Less skilled workers are already taught on the construction sites how it's done, to help out masons. Same with roof tiles, you only need to look out for chimneys and edges.

And in our hellscape, it will just lead to forcing out a large portion of workers, make them work even more for even less, then a second round of layoffs can go.

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago
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