Going there was never a problem, the part where they started killing people and bombing shit is what we take an issue with.
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If someone I don't like is allowed to go somewhere I don't want them to go, they could start killing people at any moment.
Also, I am of the view that every single person south of the border that would want to cross north of Mexico is a gang-affiliated serial killer. Every single person coming from East Asia is a spy, a saboteur, or a left-wing extremist intent on destabilizing the country. Every single African coming to the US has Ebola. Every single Muslim coming to the US is going to impose Sharia Law.
We need to close our borders until I, personally, feel safe. And the TV says I'm not safe. So nobody should be allowed, unless they are white.
If someone I don’t like is allowed to go somewhere I don’t want them to go, they could start killing people at any moment.
{insert skinner from ratatouille reading faster}
every single person {...} that would want to cross north of Mexico is a gang-affiliated serial killer
{same animation but backwards}
Good job with the satire, almost got me there.
And Lindsay Clancy children are now in better place and they are Angeles now, so why blame her ?! Same bs war rhetoric
"Anyone should be allowed to be in a public park."
"Oh, so you think there should be areas where people can just kill babies?"
You can strive for a future state of things where borders aren't necessary, and also condemn the invasion of a nation's right for autonomy in the current state of things.
The invasion of one country by another is not an action on the same path towards a future where borders don't exist.
You can strive for a future
Can I? I feel like I'm going to get yelled at for striving, because I'm doing it wrong.
wouldn't just giving them the land be worth less than thousands upon thousands of human lives? like, if america wanted to conquer british columbia would it really matter? is that worth even one life?
people treat this war like it's china invading america and it's some huge clash of cultures/ideals. wasn't ukraine part of russia at some point?
Like infinity, there are different "everything"s.
I've spent a lot of time traveling, been to close to 40 countries. A lot of times I had to get a visa. Once to get in Switzerland for two weeks I had to present a lease agreement from a friend there who welcomed me for few nights. Stack of papers I have to the embassy was a finger thick.
Wholeheartedly and fully wish this whole system to go burst in high flames. One of the fondest memories I have is the first time I came across Polish-Czech border without any controls when both countries joined the Schengen agreement. Or the other time when me and a bunch of friends were strolling in a park in Germany and casually strolled over a bridge into Poland. I did it, like, five times just to enjoy it.
People who are rooting for closed borders, territory wars, influence - are either not traveling or privileged enough to not see this. Fuck them. I'd rather have a better world for everyone than excellent for selected few.
Closed borders don't make things better for a selected few if they make the world those selected few live in shitty.
Grew up in Texas, and back in the 80s it was very normal for kids to just hop into a car and drive south of the border for Spring Break. This was the most normal thing in the world for hundreds of thousands of teenagers and young adults.
And then national media realized they could make a lot of cheap news coverage by scandalizing the practice. So we got a slew of news stories, which became inflated with an even more over-dramatized series of books, tv shows, and movies, showing kids going across the border for drug use and rape and animal abuse and to dispose of dead bodies for the cartels and to get eaten alive by the Chupacabra. We got bombarded by a slew of media with a flashlight under the chin whispering "Oh, you think these kids are having fun? Well, what if the news threw a red filter over the images and used graphical effects to imply everyone was murdered?!"
Both the US and the Mexican police got more and more involved. The borders became militarized. You ended up with these obnoxious traffic situations, which really killed the appeal of any kind of vacationing. Also didn't help that a lot of the popular destinations got enclosed and privatized, for the benefit of a few insider luxury developers. The cost of a vacation exploded, as cruise lines and chain hotels and resorts took over the best spots. And now it's been fully Disney-fied, with a heavily demarcated entry and exit for tourists who are heavily discouraged from mingling with locals.
Shit fucking sucks, man.
The entire Russian war of aggression is about moving lines on a map in the first place. It's a text book example of the stupid shit people start doing precisely because of our obsession with borders.
It’s not really about the borders per se, but it is about territory. Russians feel they need land (specifically railroad) access to the Sevastopol naval base in Crimea. Russia itself doesn’t have any warm water ports—they all freeze in the winter. So, during the Soviet Union, the Crimean peninsula was developed as an international port and naval base. The infrastructure was built with taxes from all the Soviet citizens, including a lot of Russians, under the assumption that Russia, as part of the Soviet Union, would have access to that port in perpetuity. As a result, some Russians feel ownership over this naval base, even though it’s deep in Ukrainian territory.
I don’t think Putin really cares about the Donbas much, except that it can be territory to protect access to the port. It is about borders, but it’s not quite as arbitrary as you say.
Russian strategic anxiety about not having a warm water port is quite literally older than America. This is some Peter the Great-era (early 1700’s) shit. I’m not excusing any of it, but I rarely hear anyone talk about this stuff in the English language media even though it’s like. The primary reason for the war.
It isn't about who paid taxes on what decades ago. It is all about stealing territory and the resources within them. Remember the original goal was absorbing ALL of Ukraine into Russia by force. The port is just part of it.
Not really about "moving" the lines. It's about Putin wants other people's stuff, and the biggest picture way to define "not Putin's stuff" is "everything within the internationally agreed upon lines over here." It's not an obsession with borders, it's that they're a definition of the historical land of specific peoples and cultures. You don't want the whole globe named World of America, right? Lines that keep anyone willing to use force out of an area because the people within those lines said "nope, this is us, not you."
The no borders crowd doesn't want America to be anything more than a geographical term. There wouldn't be borders and there wouldn't be states. Possibly some sort of global federation would be acceptable depending on who you ask.
They're right in principle. Borders are man made and lead to a bunch of conflict. The nation state is an arbitrary unit that has gained an absurd amount of power.
In practice of course few people would say we can just abolish borders over night and hope for the best. But criticizing it by saying that Putin would do this or that doesn't work because Russia wouldn't exist in this scenario and Putin would just be some powerless random guy with rapidly declining mental abilities.
Putin would just be some powerless random guy
This pretty much ignores all of human history, though. We create leaders and territory needed to farm food since before we could write about it.
So those human tendencies you'll just... What? Say are illegal with no government to enforce it? It just makes no sense in practical terms.
Yes, it intentionally breaks with human history, which has been largely built around and fought over borders for a really long time. What people argue is that it's not human nature but learned. We organize ourselves locally and in communities, there's nothing natural about patriotism and nation states.
I personally think they are correct in fundamental parts of their criciticism, but that doesn't make it a realistic goal work towards any time soon. What we can do is to question the premises we are trained to accept and to think critically about how we should structure our societies going forwards.
Arguing we can't abolish borders because of Russia and America is a bit like arguing nukes can't be abolished because of the need for nuclear deterrence. It might make some degree of sense as a practical argument, but not as a normative stance.