They're testing to see if we're dumb enough to fall for such a switcheroo.
I suspect most of us are.
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There are officials responsible for approving the installation of these cameras. The only thing that will stop this is to make them fear the consequences of doing so.
Fortunately sledgehammers and angle grinders are cross-platform compatible.
Flock cameras are conspicuous with their unique design and can even be identified with a Wi-Fi & Bluetooth scan. Other ALPRs are impossible to tell from conventional CCTV or use all kinds of masking.
Oh darn. They'll all have to go then.
I appreciate the name of the new company being included right in the headline. I hope vigilantes get down to business cutting down these awful Jalopnik cameras!
They are adamant about being able to watch us at all times. This doesn't end with flock.
A methhead convinced of the bountiful copper inside doesn’t care about branding. All cameras = flock and flock = temporary happiness to them.
Every time an article like this comes and you are tempted to reply to the seemingly inevitable creeping surveillance apparatus with "well, it can't stop a paintball/hacksaw/.50 cal/etc. etc." you need to stop.
Stop for a moment and listen to yourself. Look at the bigger picture. I admire the bravado and pushback but does this really sound like a reasonable solution to a systemic issue? That's like saying "if I think there's cockroaches infesting my house, I'll just step on everyone I see" Like that is going to solve the problem.
(And honestly, are you really going to get off your lazy ass, go buy a portable angle grinder and go cut down a light pole in the middle of the night? Really? How many beers does that take?)
So, next time you want to post something like that, instead, just post a link in support to the person, be it a politician or advocate, who is willing to legislate against this encroachment of privacy.
Oh, you don't know of any?
Well maybe that's actually getting to the heart of the problem.
This is true everywhere, but especially in the US, if you are looking right now at current events aghast with a feeling of doom rolling over you- that is the sign.
It's time to stop being a passive acceptor of circumstances. It's time to act.
We have to dig political aspirants out of the woodwork and push them onto the stage. There is somebody in your area that is capable of advocating for your rights. You need to find them.
If you can't find a local group. Start a discord, IRC, hell facebook page, what ever, just start connecting people in your town, in your neighborhood. All it takes is a few minutes a day to start.
You have to be politically active. Or else your future is going in the meat grinder. Nobody is coming to save you.
There is no group who has an interest in keeping you, your society, your children, your futures, free from fascist control. Not the DNC, not the State government, not city hall. There is only you and your friends. You have to fight for it yourselves. When the garden is left untended the weeds take over. The weeds have taken over. It's time to return to the garden.
It can be done. The people hold all the power - Provided They Are Given A Plan of Action To Follow. You need to help craft that plan. Organizing and agitating gets results. Facts.
Stop posting bullshit on Lemmy and start posting real shit in your local advocacy group.
You do both.
As you've noted, we've unfortunately entered the era of "hard work" in defense of our own liberty. But as you've also noted, there's few champions. So you can vote conscientiously, support grassroots efforts when you find them, but also maybe clip a camera pole with the work truck while you're going about your day.
Think of it as a team building exercise.
I don't think you can truly know a person until you've committed a felony or two together.
Word.
We still need them to remind us that there are still heros out there.
The US is not a democracy for the masses. The only people who get say are the people who pay money in bribes.
https://pnhp.org/news/gilens-and-page-average-citizens-have-little-impact-on-public-policy/
That's the way it is but not the way it should or can be.
The American people have largely abandoned their civic duty and disengaged from the process. We are reaping what we, and our parents, have sown and it's not pretty. Complacency, escapism, consumerism, feelings of disempowerment, having taken their toll.
Contrast that to a literal workforce that runs 24/7 backed by billions from special interest groups who have been seeking to undermine the republic for decades now. Decades. It's no wonder the system is corrupt and the democratic process fails to serve the people. We've allowed it to happen, but we can also undo the damage.
It's an uphill battle but the garden belongs to the people. The fruits of our labors belong in our baskets. This miasma can be dispelled the moment people say they've had enough and stand up en masse.
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Maybe me think of that guy that was interviewed who was like "we ain't putting them back up immediately. We'll wait a while and everyone will forget and move on, and we'll put them back up then"
Surely this will confuse people enough that they won't know what cameras to smack.
I'm kinda shocked they don't either put them on next to the streetlights out of reach or pay the DOT to replace their lane activity cameras with what they need and pay them to deliver the footage back
That's more difficult from a jurisdictional perspective. For instance, you may an intersection of 2 streets that are owned by the city and the county with signals owned by the state but under control of a regional transportation authority formed by an interlocal agreement of 20 separate jurisdictions.
We just did a contract in my city for a new traffic monitoring system for 3 signals in town and it involved the city, county, state, and 2 neighboring cities.
ALPRs are poisonous enough right now you wouldn't get all 5 of those entities to sign on at once.
interesting info, thanks!
San Diego approves smart streetlight cameras
San Diego police will soon be able to rely on surveillance cameras and license plate readers attached to 500 streetlights citywide, after the City Council approved their use Tuesday.
Also, we have this style, mounted high up on poles at the major intersections in my town, well out of reach of vandalism.
Yes, I know these are likely not used for the tracking people, or at least weren't originally installed for that. But, what's to keep them from upgrading or replacing them with ones that look the same to serve the same function as Flock cameras? No one would even notice. Sensor resolution, and optics for small cameras keeps improving.
But not out of range of a paintball gun.
Or a drone with spray paint.
I was personally thinking a pseumatic gun with a solid projectile shot, would probably take a lot of testing to get the right range, accuracy, and power though.
Crazy how .50cal airguns aren't federally classified as firearms.
Well for one there's ideally no fire involved. But also we are talking about something that has limited manufacturing and hasn't been used for anything large scale yet so yeah. Also would you really trust the current federal government to classify a sandwich? Let alone anything more complex.
Do you mean one of the many pneumatic airguns you can buy for hunting and the like? The ones that aren't classified as firearms and thus aren't nearly as legally restricted or regulated as firearms despite being able to deliver similar accuracy and kinetic force?
And yes, the fed hasn't been super great at making logical distinctions between objects in general commerce. They're silly.
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Surely the pole it's mounted on connects to something..?
Well, yes. Usually mounted on extensions to a traffic light pole. You're not cutting it down with a hacksaw, at least.
Imagine this on top of a traffic light:
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I'm going to take this opportunity to ask: what actually reduces crime and improves public safety?
I feel like I should know the answer to this already (education and universal healthcare) but yet the discussion of crime reduction always revolves around increased police presence and surveillance technology.
I feel like I should know the answer to this already (education and universal healthcare) but yet the discussion of crime reduction always revolves around increased police presence and surveillance technology.
They will spend more to fight socialism than it'd cost to actually impliment socialism.
You forgot equity.
A piece of the pie helps as well.
Education and all that we have in spades right now, but ask young people how wages are.
You know what doesn't stop crime? A camera.
it's not about reducing crime or improving public safety. It's about finding "riff raff," like protests, nevermind the right to peacefully assemble is in the Constitution. But also, these are warrantless searches on our private property. Yeah, annotating our car, model, and its dings; that's private property.
Effectively, it's an unlawful autonomous police member.
Cop cars have ALPR’s mounted on their trunk lids too. America is hung up on “Flock” instead of the states and federal government surveillance everyone, legally innocent or guilty, for everything.
Within seconds, Axon Outpost, a compact, solar-powered ALPR camera perched quietly on a nearby pole, flags a match: silver SUV, roof rack, visible bumper sticker. It sends the alert to AxonFusus, which instantly cross-references the livestream with a dozen other nearby feeds, pulls the path of travel, and pushes it straight to officers in the field. Within minutes, the child is found safe
Correction: within minutes, heavily armed trigger happy police murder a black man to discover there is no child, and that the AI powered system made another false-positve
They call paramedics to collect the dead body, and immediately drive away in a frenzy to attack the next innocent person due to the near constant steam of alerts from this hallucinating system.
If it looks like a flock, acts like a flock... then it's a flock camera. Different names doesn't mean anything. They should all go away.
halloween is coming, just saying
And guess which company gets product placement in The Rookie with both name and logo every time there's body cam footage in a scene (which happens every episode, usually several times per)?
That's right, Axon!
That and all the copaganda REALLY gets in the way of enjoying the charm of Nathan Fillion 😮💨
High vis vest, hard hat, mask, telescoping pole and a plastic bag with glue could be used for "maintenance".
That's OK I'm sure our reciprocating saws will work in both.
Inevitable. The next generation will be imperceptible and thus impossible to vandalize.
Vandalism was never a permanent solution. Accountability for local elected officials who think their constituents are idiots is the solution.
No. This too can be covered in spray paint and be cut down
I appreciate the enthusiasm, but how will you cut this down? This is where they'll be mounted next:
Also, the only reason there's been any success is because of social awareness. I have no doubt those types of posts are now being stifled. Perhaps you can fly a drone up and paint a lens, but almost no one else will even if you do. That's beyond the skill set of most people.
Vandalism isn't going to work, it needs to be addressed at the policy level, that means protests, attending city council meetings, and paying attention and voting in local elections. Not nearly so fun to post videos of this for likes on social media.
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I fully expected that. Flock gets to be the sacrificial lamb for the surveillance camera industry.
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