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[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They're many fancy tensors glued together and passed through activation functions.

[–] Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 48 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The field of AI is large and has some embarrassingly simple programs that have absolutely nothing to do with human (or animal) intelligence.

LLMs still belong to the more complex examples. But get marketed by and to people who have never heard of ELIZA or the ELIZA effect. And it shows.

Most journalists aren't doing their jobs, and politicians ignore all experts for short-term gains.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago

Yes! I'm sure it's pedantic, but the term AI was coined during the 1956 Dartmouth Conference. It was meant to refer to the emerging field of computerized "intelligence" or decision making.

Technically the ghosts in Pacman are properly AI, just a really simple algorithm. The pioneering Perceptron, backgammon algorithms, automated control. It's all AI, it's just some of it is very primitive.

Whether or not current LLM based AI are"genuinely intelligent" is beside the point.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

For people unfamiliar with the ELIZA Effect, that was discovered in the 1960s with super early chatbot algorithms.

I attempted a presentation at work in the early days of LLM adoption at work and was told "that is counterproductive to this effort."

[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Brains are just fancy matrices too. That's why the matrices are called "neural networks".

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Escaping “The Matrix” has a mortal connotation.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

People want to feel more special than that 😀

[–] bunchberry@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The whole universe runs on quantum mechanics which is also just fancy matrices as well.

[–] werty@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately the average human doesn't know what matrices are so the llm looks like magic. Most people i know don't understand even basic statistics. I guy at work the other day wanted to warn me about the bots escaping containment and how they're going to destroy us all. I agreed about the destruction part but he refused to listen to anything about how they actually work. No stats for him, he's an antivaxxer...

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My mind is still blown in how words and concepts can be translated into high dimensional vertexes and through the math of their position and direction retain their meanings, and even be changed into the correct alternate versions by doing calculations on them. That doesn't mean the vectors understand what they represent, but there's some core level of meaning there. Same with LLMs. No thinking, they screw up stuff that a reasoning being would figure out. Yet there's something in even the simplest local model that is far more than just autocompleting sentences. That is part of the mechanics, but not nearly enough to describe it.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I turn off all AI functions because they just get in my way and are frustrating when I'm working.

Occasionally I will use it to format or prep a document template.

AI has gotten better. I pasted in about 10 phrases I'd captured in a meeting for a project, and asked to to prep the document with sections etc.

I expected a generic template with some garbage.

It actually inferred a lot from the project notes and built a 5 page project scope, and included things such as testing parameters and thresholds for acceptance. Which were actually good criteria for the product. It also split it into sensible phases with close out criteria and triggers for next phase.

It suggested avenues of adjustment to make the product work along with back up ideas and the risk levelsof each.

Overall it nailed the product plan and phases and had really sensible suggestions, even with such limited input as a few rough notes.

It did better than most of my colleagues, and what I expected would be 2 days of my time researching and typing, was max 4 hours.

About 1/2 hour setup and generate, and the rest was me moving sentences around, or deleting stuff that might not be 100% relevant.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

I just wish we had gotten to this state of things in a better way. Maybe it couldn't have happened, but at least then we wouldn't know what we missed and still have what we've lost.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

I just say it's a really big excel sheet. Text in on one side, run statistics, letters come out on the other side.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 days ago

I remember reading someone suggest the term "probabilistic automation", which doesn't sound bad.

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

I avoid calling it AI because I like to be as specific as possible when referring to software types

[–] neidu4@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I refuse to call it "SI" because there's no "I" involved. Same goes for "AI" for that matter. It's a fancy autocomplete, so LLM is appropriate.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Hmmmm, where have I heard the abbreviation SA before? And why does it feel eerily relevant to this administration pushing the term SI?

[–] procrastitron@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I call them “bullshit generators”

[–] Devial@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Literally ALL (modern) AI is just fancy matrices. That's what the word AI means, and has been used for for several decades. Even a hypothetical True/General AI would be just be a wildly complex Matrix system.

In a way, the human brain is literally just an extremely fancy network of neurons that is mathematically a matrix system.

Getting upset at the term AI because "it's just matrices" is "old man yells at clouds" level of discourse

[–] qqq@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The comments in this post are wild. A ton of modern physics is also just fancy matrices. What does the math being based on matrix operations have to do with.. anything..?

[–] SpicyPepper@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago

Ya. You could also say our brains are just big wet, mushy containers for neurons …. Which is just a moist way of storing and processing fancy matrices.

[–] partzel@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not quite, AI is split into three paradigms: symbolic, connectionist and semi-symbolic, you only considered the connectionist one

[–] Devial@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I misphrased, I meant to say all learning/adaptive AI systems are matrix based.

Symbolic systems are hard coded, and can't learn or adapt to new input data, they can exclusively handle inputs that were explicitly hard coded into the system. Symbolic AI systems also imo are a bit of a misnomer nowadays, as they kind of blur the line between AI and just any old programming script. Arguably any code that contains even a single "if" or "switch" statement to handle an external input is technically symbolic AI, which includes almost every type of script and program in existence, making the term somewhat useless. Input gender -> if gender = M: output "hello sir" else if gender = F: output "hello madam" else: output "hello" is a symbolic AI. and with the prevelance of trained AI nowadays, I wouldn't really consider it useful or descriptive to call symbolic systems AI, as opposed to just calling them a script/program.

Though that doesn't invalidate my general point. If you're upset about calling a complex matrix network AI because it's "just matrices" then Symbolic systems would be even less "worthy" of that term, they're just a list of "if else" statements. So my general point still stands, by OPs standards, literally nothing could ever be called AI, even a perfect simulation of an entire human brain with true artificial consciousness wouldn't be worthy of the term "AI" by OPs logic.

[–] partzel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You cannot invalidate what is called AI just because of the advancements in the fields, what you just described although simple is indeed AI and automation was humanities first attempt at AI anyways. On the other hand yes OPs point of view is invalid and I think that's just part of the meme

[–] Devial@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Actually I can, language is fluid and changes and develops all the time, it is entirely possible for the definitions and colloquial understanding of words and terms to change and evolve as technology, science and society evolves.

And the whole point was that the term AI is useless as a term when it describes basically every computer script in existence. At that point, "AI" is no longer it's own term, and effectively just becomes a synonym for "script" or "program", which removes any utility of using it in the first place.

[–] partzel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Well I see your point, but I'd suggest that it only stands in a casual/commercial context, research have been using it as an umbrella for the three paradigms I mentioned

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As partzel points out this misses out a bunch of AI, roughly two thirds of the field infact. Including the expert systems that were the first computers to actually beat grandmasters at chess.

Built using no matrices at all.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I get upset at the term AI because obviously this is VI. Mass Effect settled this.

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Call it "LLM"

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

We should start using the term abominable Intelligence

[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I call it Exported Thought. Or Lazy Braining.

I will admit, though, that its image generation gimmick has been entertaining and useful one or two times when I wanted to quickly create a meme in my earlier days of experimenting with it.

[–] bunchberry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

"It's not AI because we can explain how it works" slop.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Everything is either a fancy matrix or something that is locally well approximated by a fancy matrix

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't understand the first part of the meme. Surely if I "don't want to call it AI" then that is the opposite of sucking up to trump who wants to call it SI.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Simulacrum of Intelligence

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

You don't call it AI because you think Trump is a disgusting human being.

I don't call it AI because I hyperfocus on stupid things and I'm a pedantic nerd.

We are not the same.

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