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[–] neuromorph@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

If NASA needa.it nationalize it....

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Imprison Musk for treason and nationalize spaceX

[–] KullumDaue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

nationalize as in purchase? or steal?

when countries nationalize a company they actually purchase it.

so you want the government to pay Elon literal trillions, for what exactly?

prioritize health care, housing and reducing inflation, ignore shitty people in orbit for now.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Pay him? Fucking imprison him for his DOGE crimes alone, then seize his assets and utilize them for the national good.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 1 points 1 day ago

What an interesting twist of logic. SpaceX is three companies in a trenchcoat and laughably overvalued. Even by their own hilariously optimistic IPO documentation, the rocketry company represented a very small portion of the overall value. So sure, pay for the rocketry part. Now let's see how Starlink fares (literally) without a build-in government floated launch platform. It's okay though, because xAI will be worth $22,000,000,000,000 any day now.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (5 children)

nationalize the everlasting fuck out of this company.

[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

Imagine if we'd funded NASA amd taxed billionaires propely to pay for it all along.

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[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

SpaceX and Starlink should have to be broken up. xAI's purchase by SpaceX never should have been allowed. The contracts for NASA should have always required ownership of the investments made and the amount of rented tech never should have been allowed critical mass. Starlink should have been allowed a monopolistic ownership of its spots in space and should have been for forced to create an open interoperability standard from the jump.

The fact that "SI" is how SpaceX is talking about those AI projects shows they are very much still a government contractor even in this phase, just looking at different pots of money. Contracts that Musk's massive ties to corruption should be viewed as last resort, at least until they cut him out of the company (while he is charged and tried for his corruption).

[–] UnpoppedCorn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the long run that makes sense. In the short term, they're linked. SpaceX doesn't have contracts to fill every launch, so they fill in the extra space with Starlilnk launches. Starlink doesn't exist without SpaceX.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Starlink needing a subsidy for launches is only because they are operating as a monopoly. Competitors get flights just fine without it

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All the tech bros were constantly looking down on ESA, Arianespace and Ariane 6. Demanding that this perfectly good but slightly more costly platform should be thrown away and that Europe should make itself completely dependent on SpaceX+Russia instead. ESA and EU did not. Surely SpaceX would have gladly launched Iris2, the sovereign strategic alternative to Starlink. Right? Right?!

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)

NASA does not need SpaceX. Never will. What NASA needs is for the rich white assholes in DC to stop fucking them over with predatory contractors for five goddamn minutes.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's why they need SpaceX...

They don't have funding, their rocket program has been discontinued, the amazing reusable shuttle has been retired, and it's all been done on purpose to make them dependent on the "private industry".

Obviously if they have the right budget, they won't need anyone. That's the point.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

the amazing reusable shuttle has been retired

In all fairness, the shuttle was more "refurbishable" than reusable. It needed to be almost completely rebuilt after every flight. Over its service life it proved to be both the most expensive and most dangerous way to get to space. It killed over 4 times more astronauts than any other spacecraft.

The shuttle was awesome, it was truly a great achievement! It made building the ISS possible. But... I'm glad it's retired, we're better off with more traditional rockets for many reasons.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

we should nationalize spacex. it's footprint to launch represents a real national security risk. it was literally built on federal contracts. it's tech was pioneered by nasa and shittons of former nasa folk work there. it's executive is erratic and unhinged and that's a clear issue for national security. it's utility in war - from ukraine to the middle east - needs to be controlled by the national security interests. Finally, spacex's remit should be launch, not folding in x, grok, tesla and a bunch of other junk to inflate garbage stocks.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Broken up and and dismantled

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who would have guessed that spacex would squeeze nasa the very first chance they got. No one saw that coming.

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[–] artifex@lemmy.zip 116 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Revoke launch licenses until NASA gets what they need. Export ban on company and tech. Nationalize launch assets if absolutely necessary. Or at least threaten these things. SpaceX needs starlink, the kind of AI revenue they’d otherwise need is never going to materialize. Force them to play ball.

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 56 points 3 days ago

All of these are rational national plans, if only the administration is rational and working on national interests.

[–] tquid@piefed.ca 27 points 2 days ago (7 children)

If it was built with public money, it should be appropriated to public use.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Sure, those are all things the government could do in a world where this wasn't the intended outcome.

NASA is being fed to SpaceX like a prime rib.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

And Elon is more like an Edison than a Tesla so there will be no inter-agency co-operation for sure.

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

This is why you don't privatize space exploration and research

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 6 points 2 days ago

Or maybe it is why you should not use NASA as a piggy bank for politicians.

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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 86 points 3 days ago (4 children)

NASA helped keep SpaceX alive when it couldn’t make payroll, then spent decades making it indispensable. Now Musk has discovered that launching AI servers pays better than launching astronauts. Outsourcing your space program to one billionaire was a bold leap for mankind, straight into a monopoly with rocket engines.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't think it was intentional on NASA, Boeing couldn't really deliver with starliner and SLS isn't as good as they hoped either.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

SLS is a congressionally mandated jobs program.

NASA was forced to use existing shuttle infrastructure instead of developing new hardware with partners. If they had been given freedom, I’m sure we wouldn’t even need SpaceX for anything.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 days ago

Nationalize Space X after all these pedophiles are in prison, lol.

[–] nadram@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

SpaceX needs NASA contacts now now than ever. The jerk's AI business has been shoved into SpaceX, and that's a money burning machine. Should NASA take one too many contracts away from SpaceX, the huge red numbers will come out.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think this is the right take.

SpaceX may believe they've discovered a business model without NASA, but when the bubble pops they'll be singing a different tune.

This is also a good reason to not nationalize spaceX as so many in this thread are calling for. I don't want to be financially responsible for the AI mess they're investing in now. Let them eat those losses.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Don’t worry, when elons house of cards comes crashing down NASA and We the People will own SpaceX.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So what I'm seeing here is an interesting situation. The main thing that seems to be an issue is that they're ramping down the falcon 9 before people were really ready for that. That leaves all the people who were expecting that launch service to continue (Including NASA), stuck at the moment, possibly without a viable alternative. Luckily, while they may not be taking new contracts now, the article says they are still fulfilling the ones they have, so that's good.

So yes, leaving people without a launch provider sucks for sure. But the fact that they're shutting down falcon also demonstrates that SpaceX is expecting to be able to offer starship launches very soon. Remember, if they can't put anything into space, they don't really have a business at all. So this really does suggest that at least they think starship can totally replace falcon and that it's almost ready.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn’t commercial space ventures great? They can set launches to “out of service” delaying or cancelling research and/or ISS/LEO resupply.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean like I said, that does suck. But we do have other options in the interim, namely Soyuz and Cygnus. If Boeing had decided to actually try to fulfill the commercial launch providers program there would also be starliner...

There are also a lot more options just around the corner, there's the dreamchaser which looks totally badass, also JAXA is working on a vehicle and I read that the ESA is maybe working on 3 different vehicles?

Remember, by decommissioning dragon, all they're really doing is removing the cheapest option from the market, and that's the only reason anyone cares. The other options that have been available are still available.

[–] banana_pie@piefed.zip 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Huh I wasn't aware starlink is bringing in so much money.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There's a massive number of people for who the options are Starlink, or no Internet.

A lot of users here really can't wrap their head around just how remote some people are. And then there's vessels at sea etc.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

We had Starlink for a few months when we moved into our house. It was a new build and we were one of the first in the neighborhood, so the telecoms hadn’t laid out wire yet.

It was honestly great. We’d get almost a gig down and never really had any connection issues unless it was heavy snow.

My in laws live in the middle of nowhere and they went from I want to say hughsnet to Starlink and it’s been night and day for them.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In addition to the consumers using it, they've been making bank on commercial sales like airlines and cruiseships. But ya, it's a money maker even accounting for having to renew the constellation every 5 years.

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[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

This result was inevitable the monent that the government decided to outsource their space exploration/scientific endeavors to a private company.

You don’t need to be Cassandra to be able to recognize 100% predictable outcomes.

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